Hijackin Loops

[massplanck]

no shame in using a sample CD i suppose.. but puttinga filter on a mills loop etc and hiding it behind your own stuff. What a **** joke.

Good points machina about sampling anything but techno in a techno record.

but you're not hiding it behind your own stuff. you're, if doing it right, making it part of your own composition. essentially just using it as another instument. and some absolute classic tunes have come about this way. ie: beats international 'dub be good to me'

but you're not hiding it behind your own stuf..

i agree you are hiding behind someone elses stuff. like some sort or a jeff mills/gaetek techno tribute band. braaaaavooooo.. loopy techno sampling loopy techno? **** off and die. no wonder people arent showing up for gigs if thats the buzz.

how can you make something you havent composed 'a part of your own composition'. why dont you just 'MAKE YOUR OWN COMPOSITION'. OMGG LOL ROFL WFT!

what a waste of your own feelings and someone elses.

[massplanck]

BTW/LOL/ // 98 % of 'classic' tunes/techno tunes have come about from people @@@NOT@@@@ sampling or creatively arranging someone elses work.

nice one. you are well on your way to becominging the next 'beats intenational'. ie one hit wonder shite. hmmm i wonder what them dudes are at these days anyways? and do us a favour and name us another one of their classics whilst you are at it. stop justifying bollokcs.

[The Overfiend]

Planck is on point these days.

[massplanck]

Planck is on point these days.

i blame the new colour scheme and all the christmas boozing.
;)

[RDR]

As ever the boundaries are blurred, i've seen some people play live who were paid well for their sets (im NOT going to mention names because they know who they are) who have advertised as LIVE and proceeded to play loops from other artists as the main hook in their live set...

Thats just ****ing lying...

Either DJ or do it live. Dont bullshit and make out like you did it yourself. Have the ****ing balls to step up and take criticism on the chin rather than play it safe sampling other who did the hard work.

I love ableton, but frankly i blame it (and its users - i use the term loosley.. users is probably a bit to grand for some of the cunts i've seen 'using' it. Just pressing the ****ing DAT play button would have the same effect...)

and there is the other argument

Only those in the know give a shit - we are all entertainers, as long as the crowd is entertained then what does it matter. There is plenty original and fun reworkings of already released tracks out there. After all how different is it from playing a cover version? Bands do it all the time and no-one complains about that.

Its a sad/happy fact that punters dont really give a **** or understand what equipment you are using. As long as you remember to put on a show and help peoploe to enjoy themselves its fine. Harping on about loops and samples is YAWN BORING territory for most other people in the club.

Hand wringing about music is for professionals...learn to enjoy.


Those are the two arguments and they are both pretty powerful. People stand on both sides of the camp. The only person who is right is.....

YOU.

[Miromiric]

massplanck is really strict and to the point these days. must be cause all of that love in the air...

[dan the acid man]

well written dodgy :techno: :myagi:

[rhythmtech]

BTW/LOL/ // 98 % of 'classic' tunes/techno tunes have come about from people @@@NOT@@@@ sampling or creatively arranging someone elses work.

nice one. you are well on your way to becominging the next 'beats intenational'. ie one hit wonder shite. hmmm i wonder what them dudes are at these days anyways? and do us a favour and name us another one of their classics whilst you are at it. stop justifying bollokcs.

b4 you go getting abusive with me, take the time to look up who beats international is.
and you're telling me that you've NEVER sampled someone elses work. you dont sample? you gotta be kiddin... sampling has been a part of forward thinking music for years. if you look back to the northern soul era, you had tunes where musicians would lift a bassline they liked from another track and use it in their own (essentially sampling without the technology).

lifting a vocal sample (from a film), an accapella or a breakbeat is all exactly the same thing. you're still lifting from someone elses work .

and BTW if you read the thread properly would might have noticed that i never said i sampled the bells... i just gave an arguement as to how it could be used if sampled.

so if you want to have an adult discussion about this subject please lay off on the attacks. i'll talk about this all day but not to someone getting aggresive because they disagree with someone elses opinion.

[Miromiric]

whhaaaat? maybe he doesnt sample other people`s work? maybe he doesnt use sample CDs.

[rhythmtech]

c'mon... everyone has sampled a kick or a snare or a hat at some stage. and those that haven't fair enough.. but no reason to throw abuse around because someone else does.

[Mindful]

your talking about forward thinking music then telling us to look back to how the northern soul era used to lift stuff.

To me looking back at how people did things a few decades ago is not the way to create foward thinking music.
Also as you piont out they did not have our tecnology then so why look to how they did it without what we have?

The beats internatinal track dub be good to me may have been written by Norman Cook but hes not exactly somone we shold be looking up to for where we wish to take our music.
Or rather not for me personaly.

One more thing its not exactly unbelivable that sombody can make music without sampling is it?

[Miromiric]

i dont think he abused using of samples, but he sure did cuting somebody else`s records.
why would even want to do that?

[RDR]

well written dodgy :techno: :myagi:

Thank you Dan!

Frankly i think this "discussion" is totally unproductive. Posturing gets us no-where

if you like sampling - do it creatively

if you dont - do it creatively...

ah.. there's the answer!

Creativity.

Get it?

[rhythmtech]

your talking about forward thinking music then telling us to look back to how the northern soul era used to lift stuff.

To me looking back at how people did things a few decades ago is not the way to create foward thinking music.
Also as you piont out they did not have our tecnology then so why look to how they did it without what we have?

The beats internatinal track dub be good to me may have been written by Norman Cook but hes not exactly somone we shold be looking up to for where we wish to take our music.
Or rather not for me personaly.

One more thing its not exactly unbelivable that sombody can make music without sampling is it?

no they didn't have our technology.. they just played it themselves.

norman cook may not be to everyones tastes (especially the last few years) but you can't take away what he has done.

and i never claimed it was unbeleivable. just that people are beginning to talk about sampling like its a dirty word.

[rhythmtech]

well written dodgy :techno: :myagi:

Thank you Dan!

Frankly i think this "discussion" is totally unproductive. Posturing gets us no-where

if you like sampling - do it creatively

if you dont - do it creatively...

ah.. there's the answer!

Creativity.


Get it?

exactly what i was trying to say.

[Jay Pace]

I don't really get this.

Sample all you want if it makes your live set better.

The boundaries between djing and live sets are blurring more each year with developments in technology.

If you are sequencing other people's loops live is that a live set or a dj set? A la Hawtin?

Wouldn't tell him to f/ck off and die for using other people's loops. Might give him a slap and a once over with a pair of clippers mind but...

To me a live set is anything that involves the creation of new music on the fly, with the potential to go in many different directions. So long as its done well I have no problem with people using other people's loops.

Tim Exile would always play about 15 anthems in 5 minutes all cut up and mangled, just to hype up the crowd. It worked brilliantly. Do it for for effect, play other people's loops to make an impact.

Passing other people's talent off as your own is shoddy. Using other people's work constructively for effect can be dynamite.

Ramble ramble...

[Mindful]

your talking about forward thinking music then telling us to look back to how the northern soul era used to lift stuff.

To me looking back at how people did things a few decades ago is not the way to create foward thinking music.
Also as you piont out they did not have our tecnology then so why look to how they did it without what we have?

The beats internatinal track dub be good to me may have been written by Norman Cook but hes not exactly somone we shold be looking up to for where we wish to take our music.
Or rather not for me personaly.

One more thing its not exactly unbelivable that sombody can make music without sampling is it?

no they didn't have our technology.. they just played it themselves.

norman cook may not be to everyones tastes (especially the last few years) but you can't take away what he has done.

and i never claimed it was unbeleivable. just that people are beginning to talk about sampling like its a dirty word.

Eye fair doos.

I must point out im not even saying that I havent or dont sample.
You should realy do what you feel.

what I am trying to say is what dodgy managed to say much better than I could and that is be creative.

Oh and dont cheat your self out of the expeirence of writing and programing your own patterns and sounds.

[RDR]

Might give him a slap and a once over with a pair of clippers mind but...

:lol:

[The Divide]

Re: Hijacking loops, not for me. There’s enough loops in techno already and it would probably bore me even more, hijacking samples and rearranging them creatively and coming up with new grooves works much better (imo). Reminds me of when I went to see Ignition tech live pa ( could have been the player pa @ the orbit) and noticed he was adding using loops out of the illegal loops series, kinda let me down as that part of the set required little skill. Gimme own material over lifted loops any day

Why are we even talking about norman cook?

As for assplank, well I heard some of the loops he made using a mic, the pc and some of his kit (although he doesn’t know this hehe) and if he used them in a mix it would be 10 times better than him using someone else’s loop

[The Divide]

edit button mang?