Hijackin Loops

[module]

not for release, as in profit & theft. but for live shows.

for example, takin a loop of a Mills track for an Ableton set. or using an accapella from a house track. and using it creatively, not jus lifting 4 beats & looping.

personally, i do it. have done, and will continue to.

jus wondering what the general feeling was.

[rhythmtech]

every one generally does it. i often rob loops and use them in my own productions. as long as you dont use it in the same context the original track uses and try to disguise it and make it your own, i dont see it as a problem. often if you listen to a track unmixed you'll hear a percussion loop with a high pass filter on it from another track or a bassline with the highs filtered out (this can work quite nice when reversed). obviously you dont want it as the main element in your track but more as a percussive addition. (and as long as you give the original artist a mention!!).

[davethedrummer]

personally, for live i dont really agree with using anything thats not your own composition
however i do chuck the odd film sample or accapella over the top from time to time
but the basic tracks i play are always my own
if you want to play " the bells " for example then play records

live should be for showcasing your own productions i think.

i.m.o.

[RDR]

personally, for live i dont really agree with using anything thats not your own composition
however i do chuck the odd film sample or accapella over the top from time to time
but the basic tracks i play are always my own
if you want to play " the bells " for example then play records

live should be for showcasing your own productions i think.

i.m.o.

Exactly the way i do it. I take pride in producing everything from the ground up.

The only things i am prepared to use are those sounds i cannot sequence or play myself.. e.g. i have used a ramstein guitar riff before and got my mate to play in trumpets in the studio for me. Also i have used singers and accapellas before...

as above i.m.o.

[rhythmtech]

personally, for live i dont really agree with using anything thats not your own composition

but thats only if your playing an actual fully live set. In my case some of it is live and some of it is djing, all done in ableton. so throwing loops about the place to enhance the overall product is ok in my book.

in a studio situation i think its perfectly acceptable to sample tunes. you do have to be careful what you choose ie the bells.. i dont want one of my tracks to suddenly turn into a mills track.. and if i was to take a sample or loop it certainly wouldn't have that bell sound. i'd go for a loop near the start or end, put it through recycle and chop it up, low pass filter and so on, then use it as a breakbeat or something. thats how i make a lot of subtle rhythms.

on the other hand if you're lucky enough to have the talent and patience to create everything from scratch then fair play.

[Martin Dust]

There's no rules, **** what everyone says ;)

[Mirsha]

You mean like this?

http://media.putfile.com/jinglebells72

[module]

i'm not referring to whole loops.

for example, with something like the 'You Work It' vocal & choopin it to hell & settin over your own beats in a different phrase.

jus lifting 2 bars of a Gaetek record is lazy, but if you slice the beats up & make a new pattern put of context with the orginal, i feel that is as valid as samlping a beat of a sample cd.


cheers for the input ppl

[massplanck]

[Stodgy]

:clap:

[module]

ahm... thank you for the input... but..

this board.. :roll:

[MangaFish]

not for release, as in profit & theft. but for live shows.

for example, takin a loop of a Mills track for an Ableton set. or using an accapella from a house track. and using it creatively, not jus lifting 4 beats & looping.

personally, i do it. have done, and will continue to.

jus wondering what the general feeling was.

2 words: DJ Surgeon ;)

[Zektor]

steve rachmad has sampled mills and released the track on music man. BUT he mentioned Mills' name on the record. http://www.discogs.com/viewimages?what=R&obid=5982

Sample taken from AX-12 Humana by Millsart
Used with kind permission of Jeff Mills (A special thank you)

So you have to ask permission first!!!

[massplanck]

ahm... thank you for the input... but..

this board.. :roll:

hmmm.

My input is this. me.

If i dj i dj. if i play live i play live. If i blur the two i'm neither and i'm hijacking especially if i dont give credit or make sure people know that i know i'm hijacking.

anyone who thinks its 'ok' to sample competetant artists because they dont have the 'patience' to create from scratch can **** off and die.

[massplanck]

that excludes accapellas & film sample of course. but 'creatively' arranging other peoples loops or whatever (are you flutes still using loops BTW?) ..ie putting it through supatrigga and dragging the mouse a couple of times. Like i said **** off and die. Go get your own talent.

[machina]

Yeah - i think it all depends on if it's billed as a 'live' set or not... if it is 'live', it should be your own work, but if billed as a DJ set or semi-live, doing the Surgeon thing and using other people's tracks and loops is all good (that's what dj'ing is :) )

As far as studio work goes - i'm completely against sampling techno to use in techno records... i don't have a problem with sampling a 70's funk or disco tune or something because you are still really creating something completely fresh, but sampling a techno tune to put in your own techno record is just cheating imo, and involves no skill or thought - practically stealing. if you get permission, you're effectively doing a remix which is another thing altogether.

machina

[acidsaturation]

I'll use stuff that I can't play - like guitars (though I've bought one now and practicing hard) or live drumloops and stuff. I use the sampled loops from time to time if for example I get a computer music Cd and something sounds nice. I don't think there's any shame in using both, but tbh it's so much more fun to make yr own stuff, but it is also fun getting a sample and mangling it into something new.

Sometimes I'll load that into my sampler and use it in a live tune but it's as one of many layers.

Nicking bits of peoples stuff and just loading it into ableton and calling it a live set isn't on though and is just lazy.

[massplanck]

no shame in using a sample CD i suppose.. but puttinga filter on a mills loop etc and hiding it behind your own stuff. What a ****ing joke.

Good points machina about sampling anything but techno in a techno record.

[Mindful]

Your cheating yourself out of one of the greatest parts of making music if your not creating your own sounds and patterns IMO

[rhythmtech]

no shame in using a sample CD i suppose.. but puttinga filter on a mills loop etc and hiding it behind your own stuff. What a **** joke.

Good points machina about sampling anything but techno in a techno record.

but you're not hiding it behind your own stuff. you're, if doing it right, making it part of your own composition. essentially just using it as another instument. and some absolute classic tunes have come about this way. ie: beats international 'dub be good to me'