Hijackin Loops

[rhythmtech]

[quote="massplanck"] Do you credit artists? quote]

i do credit artists. if you look in the producers forum, i have credited any artist i've used a loop/sample from.

[massplanck]

Ok you are a remixer or something. You put a kick over si begg tune in response to all the people slagging the schranz bootlegs. I dunno. Do what you wanna do but its personally not my cuppa tea or normal.

[rhythmtech]

Ok you are a remixer or something. You put a kick over si begg tune in response to all the people slagging the schranz bootlegs. I dunno. Do what you wanna do but its personally not my cuppa tea or normal.

no i didn't "You put a kick over si begg tune in response to all the people slagging the schranz bootlegs" i did it because i wanted to see if i could do a bootleg that sounded good. if you listened to it you would hear a lot mare than just a kick has been added. also i have my own productions posted, try having a listen to them first b4 deciding who/what is normal.

[dan the acid man]

ok lets stop this from getting into a two way personal argument guys.

at the minute its not too bad. i think its been quite a healthy discussion, with healthy debate on both sides, but the past few posts are edging towards personal arguments

[module]

ok lets stop this from getting into a two way personal argument guys.

at the minute its not too bad. i think its been quite a healthy discussion, with healthy debate on both sides, but the past few posts are edging towards personal arguments

bang on dan.. good show :)

personally, i think mass is being a bit pointy.. theres no right or wrong here. jus opinion. and whilst i may not agree with them all, i certainly take them on board & respect them. well, no harm done is there :razz:


i have, and will continue to, lift loops. for example.. i have taken L7, Neds Atomic Dustbin & NIN (to name but a few) and sliced & diced them into techno trax. and most times ive let ppl hear them, they have no idea what i sampled. ive also lifted loops from house records & mashed them into 8 beat loops of noise. ive taken dnb loops & slowed them & pitched them up in key & made growling loops. and tbh, i think its jus as creative as programming Reaktor with the same old presets via Cubase ;)

i agree jus lifting 4 beats untreated & using them as a basis for your track IS lazy, but isnt that what remixes have become ? actually, thats another thread lol



heres another.... pete (a mate of mine known as slavestudios before he got banned lol) put up 100 free loops. he made them, posted them & gave them away. and there are ppl using them. which has put the smile on petes face.. hell, ive used them for Ableton sets & it got him grinning.. he really buzzes off it knowing ppl are digging his loops. so, is this ok ? i think it is.. but i would say that.. hes a mate :roll:

anyhoo, keep it up pppl... top thread & no mistake :cheese:

[eyeswithoutaface]

i think there's a bit of over-reaction in this thread. Just taking a loop right out of an existing record and plonking it in ur work and calling it your own is just plaing wrong. Chop it up, edit it, build the track around the loop by all means but not crediting the original artist or mentioning where the loop came from is wrong. There's the whole moral issue of course, some people think nothing of taking a loop of someone else's work and just sticking it in their own rather prominently and not batting an eyelid at calling it their own work. There is evidence of this on the market of course, it's not unfair to mention the whole skulltunes facade because everyone knows about it anyway.

Pete's loop's are a great example, because he made them solely for people to use, and i use pete as an example because i used his loops in a few tracks which ended up getting taken for release. The first was the "A Body To Jack" track which Glenn took for Template, it was a track i worked up out of pete's loop's and my own track parts such as the percussions and kick and my production work, so it was a straight collab in my eyes and it went down as such, Scott Gray and Pete Donaldson, which was only fair. Another is a track on an ep i have coming up on advanced, where ive used 2 of pete's loops in a track, but its not a colab, as the loop's arent as prominent and it's a solo ep, but i have given him a big thanks on the record, which is only fair, and Pete's more than happy with this

bottom line is, it's up to people to make their own mistakes when it comes to sampling, you know when your doing a track using other loops/loop sources wether or not your overstepping the mark, its just some dont bother to step back

[massplanck]

well said eyes. mr rhythmtech i apologise but still hold the view that YOU CAN make better loops or sounds than those you try and sample. And by doing that you might well be 10 times more satisfied with yourself for perservering.

anyway. i dunno if you have gathered i like *pure* machines & noises.. sometimes i feel *computer* sampling\looping etc has turned techno into a big huge ball of muck with lots weird arms & legs sticking out of it.

Then again. I'm all alone on this.

Aplogies again.

[massplanck]

ok. i dunno.i thought the whole point of making music was to expliciatlllitiatsiality express yourself. I dont want to have someones elses haircut or sample some1 elses *feelings* or ex[pression} to express myself. Its ok i suppose of you are looking for a few sounds to make a tune, but i'd get more out of screaming into a microphone about my personal demons & trashing my machines against a wall than by rearranging some one elses work.

Maybe thats what techno or whatever its called is missing these days.

[massplanck]

actually sometimes i think i'm in right forum at all at all.

[massplanck]

i meant *not* :clown:

[Miromiric]

the whole point of music is to get records out and get more bookings.

[Miromiric]

:clown:

[massplanck]

the whole point of music is to get records out and get more bookings.

:terminator:


luka i love you even if you are a serb.

[massplanck]

no offense to serbs btw.

[massplanck]

PS: Did you know that bosnians are 10% more likely to sample croats then slovenians. ****ed up world.

[dan the acid man]

actually sometimes i think i'm in right forum at all at all.

of course you're in the right forum you numpty :cheese:

any forum is bound to have a variety of people with different views on things, i suppose thats what makes them interesting.

Nick McCabe once said in an interview (ex guitarist of the verve)

The key to music is create like a child and edit like a scientist. I've been living my life to that! You have your fun and then you apply hindsight to it.

[dan the acid man]

actually sometimes i think i'm in right forum at all at all.

of course you're in the right forum you numpty :cheese:

any forum is bound to have a variety of people with different views on things, i suppose thats what makes them interesting.

Nick McCabe once said in an interview (ex guitarist of the verve)

The key to music is create like a child and edit like a scientist. I've been living my life to that! You have your fun and then you apply hindsight to it.

[massplanck]

i dunno if i am dan. for the last 2 years mr Itoh has had the piss ripped out of him on this forum for *sampling* various techno records on releases yet this sort of stuff seems fine for a BOA member to do, or at least for them not get pulled up on it, without someone calling for restraint. I cant stand having lot of little yellow folders with the emotions of others who have sampled the emotions of others, on hand ready to fire into a program that everyone else uses. And then have to talk about it never mind defend it.

I only hang around here because i have a big post count which makes people think i know what i'm talking about (i dont).

All i know is that i have a certain *unholy* bond with sound and if outside forces ie (everyone else) start upsetting the order of things in my own little ****ed up head i'm most likely gonna freak out and defend it and leave BOA in a big huff and lots of smoke.

Respect 2. Slavik/Sunil/Luka the Serb/Teh Divide/G/Dan the Acid Man/Traxx/Dirty/Aratron/Mr Eg/SummerofSam/Jay Pace/Si/TechMouse/Dodgy & RorySt/Mistah Wedding DJ & all the funny ****ers.

Massplanck is dead. Long live his mystical biscuit tin bashing psedonoymn

[dan the acid man]

like i said in the other thread you started, just keep doing what you're doing, believe in what you're doing and have fun in what you're doing, it doesn't really matter what anybody else thinks really, your creating your own sound, love it and live it.

oh, and dont go leaving this place either

[module]

i dunno if i am dan. for the last 2 years mr Itoh has had the piss ripped out of him on this forum for *sampling* various techno records on releases yet this sort of stuff seems fine for a BOA member to do, or at least for them not get pulled up on it, without someone calling for restraint. I cant stand having lot of little yellow folders with the emotions of others who have sampled the emotions of others, on hand ready to fire into a program that everyone else uses. And then have to talk about it never mind defend it.

I only hang around here because i have a big post count which makes people think i know what i'm talking about (i dont).

All i know is that i have a certain *unholy* bond with sound and if outside forces ie (everyone else) start upsetting the order of things in my own little **** up head i'm most likely gonna freak out and defend it and leave BOA in a big huff and lots of smoke.

Respect 2. Slavik/Sunil/Luka the Serb/Teh Divide/G/Dan the Acid Man/Traxx/Dirty/Aratron/Mr Eg/SummerofSam/Jay Pace/Si/TechMouse/Dodgy & RorySt/Mistah Wedding DJ & all the funny ****.

Massplanck is dead. Long live his mystical biscuit tin bashing psedonoymn

:lol:

bonkers man.. totally bonkers :lol: