Secrecy/Ableton/Loops/Death/Emotion/Techno

[rhythmtech]

Secrecy.....

secrecy is a good thing at times... i remember when pgv first appeared most of us hadn't a clue who it was (i kinda liked that). it felt like this new weird bassy techno could've been coming from anywhere with its weird little 10 inches.

Ableton......

amazing program. full stop.

Loops.....

loops are great. mangle them. mash them up. flip them around. whatever. everyone goes on about "looped techno" being boring, but 95% of music is based around loops. even if its just the kick or hi-hat.

Death.....

after last night it feels a lot closer... evil alcoholl :(

Emotion....

is where its at. techno is machine soul.

Techno.....

pisses me off. makes me dance. gives me a headache. sends shivers down my spine. mentally exhausts me... blah blah
its something in you. i'm into a lot of differant music but i've never known any other music to suck you in and make you want sooo much more (well... possibly "the cure", man i had the hair and all!)

[The Divide]

Ableton

Great for audio, not so great for midi. Just another fish in a vast sea of fishes.

I would have to disagree with the argument of the mid part.

Well I’m running V4 so maybe be they fixed a few of these, I thought it was a bit of a mickey mouse them not having many of these in v4 so I never bothered with v5. I should think about upgrading after I ‘try before I buy’ :lol: …

In V4

There’s no midi shuffle in ableton, no custom quantization values, no dotted quantization values, no audio groove to midi extraction?

There’s are very few midi fx in ableton, it doesn’t run with 3rd party midi sequencing apps such as sonicbytes era, energy xtc, stepchild, midi step one, etc. Basically a midi channel didn’t reconside a midi in from other aps. For these reasons I found that you couldn’t use the midi out on reackor to trigger other midi channels. I very much doubt MSP midi fx would work with it (using pluggo)

In cubase I can also play multiple midi channels, each with different offsets via external keyb, using transposition I can play a chord with one key on one device. Cant in ableton

I like to create my own midi functions in logical editor, for example I can have random length, velocity, duration (within my own parameters). Theres loads of functions like filtering your off beats, deleting muted notes or notes withing certain ranges. You can write your own functions here and they can be used as an insert. Nothing like this is in ableton

Out of curiosity have they put group audio channels in yet?

Failing that I do like the X Y pad and the easier to use midi learn functions and how the browser works, very nice for navigating thro your samples in abes. It is quick and easy but I think its hyped up a lot

I should try v5 and see what I think tho

[Ritzi Lee]

In V4

There’s no midi shuffle in ableton, no custom quantization values, no dotted quantization values, no audio groove to midi extraction?

Yes there is a midi shuffle function inside. You can even ajust the midi notes straight / 8 / 16 / 32 for each midi / audio track / loop / block. You can find the shuffle on your left next to the BPM ajust.

You can even program your own CC value's. Extremaly usefull if you want all your hardware (and maybe your digital mixer) full automated.

There’s are very few midi fx in ableton, it doesn’t run with 3rd party midi sequencing apps such as sonicbytes era, energy xtc, stepchild, midi step one, etc. Basically a midi channel didn’t reconside a midi in from other aps. For these reasons I found that you couldn’t use the midi out on reackor to trigger other midi channels. I very much doubt MSP midi fx would work with it (using pluggo)

I agree there are not much standard midi-effects in Live itself. But to tell you the truth I don't use them that much or any other midi fx plugins. There's one thing I do know. If all your plugins are cracked ones, then you may experience difficulties.

Third party plugins are always recognized if you enter the location in the 'properties'.

But things like triggering and rerouting midi signals is something that Abelton is very good at.... You're already doing it if you create a new midi track with an internal midi instruments. Just check out your routing options.

In cubase I can also play multiple midi channels, each with different offsets via external keyb, using transposition I can play a chord with one key on one device. Cant in ableton

Ok you can't play and record on multiple channels at the same time in Live. But it's always possible to reroot and create a chain of midi-channels for different devices, so you can play multiple midi through one touch... Also we have the midi chord plugin if you want to create chords.

I like to create my own midi functions in logical editor, for example I can have random length, velocity, duration (within my own parameters). Theres loads of functions like filtering your off beats, deleting muted notes or notes withing certain ranges. You can write your own functions here and they can be used as an insert. Nothing like this is in ableton

For random length / velocity / duration, there is a seperate midi plugin for this with all the required parameters, and envelope control.

Also you have the possibility to change the rasters in your midi editor... Good for writing notes that are of the metronome.

Out of curiosity have they put group audio channels in yet?

Failing that I do like the X Y pad and the easier to use midi learn functions and how the browser works, very nice for navigating thro your samples in abes. It is quick and easy but I think its hyped up a lot

I should try v5 and see what I think tho

Yep grouping audio channels is also possible.
I think it's in my manual how to do this.......

The browser is just sweat indeed.
You even have the possibility to drag and drop own recorded samples back in the browser, so you can save your own made samples with all the edited parameters... These are all reusable. :)

[The Divide]

Ill upgrade it, I like to run it as slave to cubase

[The Divide]

Cheers ritzi

[SlavikSvensk]

...also computer people, get a laptop and go make music somewhere other than yer bedrooms or studios...the beach, a skyscraper rooftop, a rat-filled alley, just god no, not starbucks...

[zaalmoetlos]

secrecy


thanks to internet there is no more secrecy in music, we are all spoiled brats (musically) you can listen to any record at any given moment this spoils the experience i.m.o.

ableton

a much needed adition to the music scene. Music is of an organic nature if it stands still it dies much like a shark.
Music is always a reflection of its time. We are living in a computer age naturally this reflects in the way music is produced. It would be very naive to think that todays producers / djs would not use computers, apart from that it would be a great loss too. Ableton offers a great new way of mixing tracks, the way tracks are produced can be changed immensly. You don't need to make a track which can be mixed whith one or two other pieces of music. You can experiment much more.
It's stupid to think that music of the next thirty years will be produced or dj-ed in the same manner as the stuff of the last thirty years. Time changes so does music thankfully.

loops

depends on what u use them for i can imagine that they are a great tool when you are mixing with ableton it is stupid though to take one loop look for a synth stab and call it your own record.

death

is when emotion stops

Emotion

stops when death creeps in


Techno

most people in this scene should stop bickering about who's music is beter/more harder to mix or produce and realise that whe all need eachother

[dirty_bass]

most people in this scene should stop bickering about who's music is beter/more harder to mix or produce and realise that whe all need eachother

This is true, love and tolerance man.
Still a good winge now and again helps vent frsutration.

[eyeswithoutaface]

secrecy

a bit confused actually, wouldnt it be a little pointless if no one at all knew who you were? or am i wrong? like i said, confused

ableton

believe the hype, but like with all programs, you get out what you put in. Too many people last year spending a few hours in Ableton mixing their own tracks together and calling it a "live" pa. It's not. It's a mix. That seems to have died down though. Incredible program, no doubt

loops

Love em or hate em, where would we be without them? i dont care what anyone says, everyone loves messing with loops its great fun and can often make or break a good track. Trick is the usage, some use their loops alot more blatently than others, some like to get creative. There are undeniably some fantastic loops out there, they are there for a reason, use them, but use them wisely

death

well im only 23, i have no fear of dying, but obviously i wouldnt want to snuff it tommorow, so not something id dwell over too much, life's too short

emotion

we need more. simply

techno

what's techno again?


great thread!