Repressed Techno

[eyeswithoutaface]

pete mate i have to say i think your just out to antagonise people under a new guise here, and what a bizarre thing to get uppity about. Extremely infact. What is wrong with repressing? and judging by the average amount of moolah involved in a release at the moment, its hardly money grabbing, there's barely **** all money in techno as you should know mate, alot of conflicting differences in your posts because your coming at with the sense that your quite niave about techno and how it works. If its a massive track getting repressed then chances are everyone will have it anyway, and those who dont, great, they have an opportunity to own it, and like someone said, if your not buying it anyway, then what is the problem? bizarre mate, even for you ;)

[dan the acid man]

As a side point, although I do kinda agree about the state of the techno scene and releases these days, I have no real problem with vinyl. However, what I do see is peoples apathy due to the fact that every release sounds the same. That`s because there are loads of people with a few bucks who think they can do it, they then go ahead and copy the sound of producer X (on reason maybe), and then release a record.
The distributers put it out, cos it`s playing safe (and distributers rarely take a risk), and so we have an army of techno clones all putting out the same old crap.
The problem isn`t vinyl, it`s what is getting put onto it, the scene has almost turned into a kind of fanboy thing.
A bit like fanboy literature for films, where people release their own, self penned scripts of say "lord of the rings 4, opps they found another ring", thinking they can better tolken or whatever.
I mean, the scene shouldn`t be elitist, but also, due to the nature of the music, people in it should want to be doing something different rather than just playing safe and cloning their heroes or the latest trend.
Leave that shite for the pop charts.

never a truer word spoken.

also, im amazed how many people say they don't buy records anymore because they don't dj or whatever. surely if you're a a music fan, and an artist releases records you like, you'd still buy them.
that's what i do, i only dj for fun, but i still buy every record i like.

so getting back to your original question, yes, if something is repressed that i never got a chance to own before, then yes, i'll go and buy it

[dirty_bass]

Can see you point, but I blame vinyl.

Profit margins with vinyl are too high - you need to guarantee a certain amount of sales to make it profitable, or even worthwile. When you need to sell 1000 copies the safest option is to go with the one you know, rather than take a gamble with the one you don't. This stops new talent from getting out, and inadvertently supports band wagon blues and cloning.

£7 for one vinyl record is obscene when you can buy the track digitally for 99p.

now what is it with that anyway?

The manufacturing cost of vinyl has remained fairly stable.
The price distributers pay the labels has remained fairly stable.
The dealer price from distributer to outlet has remained fairly stable.
So why are tunes selling in the shops for 7-8 quid?
If it`s overheads for shops, then why is the price from online stores not much different?

Just for the record, the average price a label gets for each tune sold is about 2 quid from the distributer per tune.
After manufacturing and promo mail outs etc, I think the artist ends up with on average about 80p profit per record sold, maybe less.
£8 ---> 80p
Go figure.

It seems like the undergournd is the closer to the mainstream music world than we would like to admit.
The artist sits at the bottom of the pile.

[dirty_bass]

As a side point, although I do kinda agree about the state of the techno scene and releases these days, I have no real problem with vinyl. However, what I do see is peoples apathy due to the fact that every release sounds the same. That`s because there are loads of people with a few bucks who think they can do it, they then go ahead and copy the sound of producer X (on reason maybe), and then release a record.
The distributers put it out, cos it`s playing safe (and distributers rarely take a risk), and so we have an army of techno clones all putting out the same old crap.
The problem isn`t vinyl, it`s what is getting put onto it, the scene has almost turned into a kind of fanboy thing.
A bit like fanboy literature for films, where people release their own, self penned scripts of say "lord of the rings 4, opps they found another ring", thinking they can better tolken or whatever.
I mean, the scene shouldn`t be elitist, but also, due to the nature of the music, people in it should want to be doing something different rather than just playing safe and cloning their heroes or the latest trend.
Leave that shite for the pop charts.

never a truer word spoken.

also, im amazed how many people say they don't buy records anymore because they don't dj or whatever. surely if you're a a music fan, and an artist releases records you like, you'd still buy them.
that's what i do, i only dj for fun, but i still buy every record i like.

so getting back to your original question, yes, if something is repressed that i never got a chance to own before, then yes, i'll go and buy it

Man, I rarely even DJ for fun.
I just buy and play stuff I like.

[Lujo]

Emagine that everybody thinks like you( I wont buy records no more ill make my own Evolution or Kreck) would there be techno scene???

thats total nonsense. i dont even know where to begin to explain to you what a totally idiotic staement that is...

no offence

I didn't make my self clear!!!!
I didn't mean nothing bad.
I just want to say that I think it is very important to keep the scene allive by buing records.

[dan the acid man]

well, years ago, before i even got my decks, i bought vinyl, i just had to nick my mums old aiwa turntable to listen to them all :lol:

[rhythmtech]

we were so poor my mom used tohave to SING london acid city to me while she rocked me asleep.. you shoulda heard the poor old dear bleeping and squaking. bless.

[dirty_bass]

we were so poor my mom used tohave to SING london acid city to me while she rocked me asleep.. you shoulda heard the poor old dear bleeping and squaking. bless.

hehehe
we were so poor, we lived in a shoebox, and my mum had to sell her voice, so we had to get the cat to screech out london acid city.

[dan the acid man]

we were so poor my mom used tohave to SING london acid city to me while she rocked me asleep.. you shoulda heard the poor old dear bleeping and squaking. bless.

haha :lol: :lol:

[rhythmtech]

we were so poor my mom used tohave to SING london acid city to me while she rocked me asleep.. you shoulda heard the poor old dear bleeping and squaking. bless.

hehehe
we were so poor, we lived in a shoebox, and my mum had to sell her voice, so we had to get the cat to screech out london acid city.

that was no cat... mommy mommy come home, the bad man wont hurt you anymore :paranoid:

[RDR]

Repressings of tunes i cant get hold of anymore is cool.

Cant be arsed with the rest of the conversation.

[dirty_bass]

Can see you point, but I blame vinyl.

Profit margins with vinyl are too high - you need to guarantee a certain amount of sales to make it profitable, or even worthwile. When you need to sell 1000 copies the safest option is to go with the one you know, rather than take a gamble with the one you don't. This stops new talent from getting out, and inadvertently supports band wagon blues and cloning.

£7 for one vinyl record is obscene when you can buy the track digitally for 99p.

now what is it with that anyway?

The manufacturing cost of vinyl has remained fairly stable.
The price distributers pay the labels has remained fairly stable.
The dealer price from distributer to outlet has remained fairly stable.
So why are tunes selling in the shops for 7-8 quid?
If it`s overheads for shops, then why is the price from online stores not much different?

Just for the record, the average price a label gets for each tune sold is about 2 quid from the distributer per tune.
After manufacturing and promo mail outs etc, I think the artist ends up with on average about 80p profit per record sold, maybe less.
£8 ---> 80p
Go figure.

It seems like the undergournd is the closer to the mainstream music world than we would like to admit.
The artist sits at the bottom of the pile.

I just want to reiterate this point, as a lot of people may not realise the basic rundown of a record.

[davethedrummer]

me think it's ok.

it's normal and good if u have missed some earlyer releases,or classics

thanks mita... reasonable answer without the lecture ;)


and to db... my point with Reason (or Ableton or Live or Cubase...) is that i can then make a track i want.. Speedy J & Liebing where an example.. i'm sure i could replace those names with the right 2 and you would agree..

for the record too, any of my own work has went down a storm when its been played out.. and yes.. some of it is as phat dirty ;)

but again, thats off topic. and whats your beef with Reason lol that really amuses me... its one tenth of the tools i have at my disposal..

opinions man.. its about opinions. and as much as it may kill you, you have to accept other ppl have different opinions. jus cos yuo say an app is terrible, does not Gospel make.

with all due respect :cheese:

mate i really can't get on with your attitude at all
you are just trying to antagonise by moving the goalposts each time
and telling people to chill out once they get passionate.

anyway
for the record
represses........cant live with 'em
can't live without 'em

i got seawolf about 5 years after it was first released
do i have a problem with that ???

no.


not at all

[dirty_bass]

totally.
I`ve had stuff that has been played to death, and scratched and the grooves are all worn down, and it`s been repressed.
What a godsend.

[eyeswithoutaface]

yeah, if anything this has actually made me realise how much i love a good repress, i dont give a toss if the record i have is an original still in its clingfilm and card wrapping or a repress in bright shiny new hot pink neon colouring with braille for blind people

no offence to any blind people reading this

[module]

again, your kinda missing my point.

k.. i dont dig the whole repressing thing when its done in bulk. the way it has been with Bush.

but that doesnt mean i'm trying to wind ppl. its jus an opinion. everyones entitled.

and drummer, its great that your passionate but why you so convinced i'm trying to annoy you ? your emotional, but when i get some up its bitterness lol i dont get that at all.



i jus put up a thread of a thought ive had more & more over the past few years.

AND, when i started this djing lark, 50% of the work was finding the good records.

again, jus my opinion, so dont get upset if it differs.

[lunatrick]

no one moans about re-releasing films on dvd do they? I just picked up 'good fella's' and the 'day of the dead' on dvd, both of which I've seen before...are you seriously suggesting that i should re-condition a 16mm film projector just to watch these?.....be serious you knob..

I didn't catch 'when I rock' by schumacher the first time around..bloody glad I did on the repress tho. good art is good art.full stop. I got a copy of squat rock (and the remix by dtd is the absolute bollocks, ok enough blatant homage already!) on the re-release - bona fide absobollockinglutely classic mate. Personally I don't really dig leibing or speedy j that much, but hey I've played records by both of them on times, but to suggest you just push reason and it's the same is total shite......just look at the amount of lame records about.........

personally I think i've you've made a piece of art and you own the rights to it (god help if you don't!) then should make it available forever

[module]

no one moans about re-releasing films on dvd do they? I just picked up 'good fella's' and the 'day of the dead' on dvd, both of which I've seen before...are you seriously suggesting that i should re-condition a 16mm film projector just to watch these?.....be serious you knob..

I didn't catch 'when I rock' by schumacher the first time around..bloody glad I did on the repress tho. good art is good art.full stop. I got a copy of squat rock (and the remix by dtd is the absolute bollocks, ok enough blatant homage already!) on the re-release - bona fide absobollockinglutely classic mate. Personally I don't really dig leibing or speedy j that much, but hey I've played records by both of them on times, but to suggest you just push reason and it's the same is total shite......just look at the amount of lame records about.........

personally I think i've you've made a piece of art and you own the rights to it (god help if you don't!) then should make it available forever

jesus luntric.. i didnt say it was BETTER than Speedy J.. i jus mentioned it in reference to makin your own tunes..

and no, i'm not saying anything films.. your 'knob' comment doesnt really hep either side of the argument either, but i'll put it down to stress lol

i have my opinion, you have yours. i think to an extent, it is lazy for a label to re-release old music as opposed to releasing new music. thats it. thats MY opinion. you dont have to agree, and quite frankly it makes no difference at the end of the day does it ? no.

so dispense with the name callin eh ;) you'll end up lookin like a knob lol

[davethedrummer]

again, your kinda missing my point.

k.. i dont dig the whole repressing thing when its done in bulk. the way it has been with Bush.

but that doesnt mean i'm trying to wind ppl. its jus an opinion. everyones entitled.

and drummer, its great that your passionate but why you so convinced i'm trying to annoy you ? your emotional, but when i get some up its bitterness lol i dont get that at all.



i jus put up a thread of a thought ive had more & more over the past few years.

AND, when i started this djing lark, 50% of the work was finding the good records.

again, jus my opinion, so dont get upset if it differs.

and there we go again.
look i'm not convinced that you are trying to get at ME
i just can't understand your point
surely you must realise that record companies and distribution companies are dying everywhere.
you must know by now that the once flourishing world of techno is now seriously under threat of extinction.

you must know this?
and if you do not , then you do now.
and that is why there are so many represses around
record companies desperately trying to stay in the game
some peoples lives depend on record sales and they are feeling very threatened right now so they are trying to sell some back catalogue which includes their classic releases.

i'm not saying it's right or wrong
but as a punter you just buy what you want innit?
no point in going into hmv and saying

" oh for god's sake! look at all these represses! it's disgusting!"

i mean who cares?

i'm sure you'd rather buy a new track rather than an old one
me too

but all this
" record companies are just lazy/greedy " etc thing is going a bit far
i mean come on mate

do you really have that insecurity thing where you think everyone is stinking rich?

hope not

anyway its your opinion and you are entitled to it
daft as it may seem to me.

[rhythmtech]

stinking rich?

that made me laugh all the way to my bently...