Time for change.

[Davin]

I personally think your dead right!!! I myself though wouldnt stick one specific genre over my head! I try to play a little bit of everything from electro to hard techno to minimal to house!! This is my middle ground!!!!

[holotropik]

Techno always was about looking forward and seeing the future. And right now, check this. All the hard DJ's are going harder. All the minimal DJ's are going more minimal. For those of you that remember - havent we been here before??? We need middle ground right now. Or difference at least.

Come on, let's stop talking hard or minimal! It's time to talk what's the future!!! Time 4 change!!!

What's your future? What's your change???

I'm hearing you on this one. Its only logical that this is the next path to take really. I came to this conclusion over last year when I took a step back and had a think about where to next. Had good talks to my folks (who are rock-pigs and still play out), talked to my bro and other folks. At the end this seemed like the only way to go. So I am going this way.

I have a collection of different things, a hybrid mix of things using all sorts of influences and styles. Thread it all together to make a complete picture. Avoid the trends and just focus on the sound of what suits or is appropriate. Play it Live, as I do and leave plenty of room to vary the feel to suit the atmosphere. Not be afraid to lean it out or richen it up.

[holotropik]

Oh also,
The technology is there to do this 'middle grounding' so why not use it for that purpose...eh?

[Xavi]

artist himself is supose to be the middle ground imo... connection between the music an the crowd .. attitude makes all the difference and pepole love to see a dj that is communicating with the crowd not just staring at the mixer ... they want to see a dj who's having fun out there ... [mark knows !! ;)] mixing different styles is something i always experiment with and i think that the best way of moulding your own original performance

[tocsin]

^^^^ Agreed. I thin people forget the old too fast when they talk about "evolution." Some of the more unique sounding tracks I've worked on at least have been a mesh of older styles into something new.

[Mindful]

I think that we all can reconise when somthing is stagnent or non evolutionary.
If evolution and the future of music and techno is importent too you then its as simple as trying to do somthing new or different with that.
Be creative with the music you play or make, do not just simply play it safe.
Of course only do this if it matters too you.
Some people are quite happy as it is and fair play to them if they are, there is nothing up with that, I wont go in to my veiw on this becuase it is only my veiw(and its a wee bit harsh)
But if it IS importent to you then try to do somthing abaaaaaaart it.

[Mindful]

Thats an order ;)

[AcidTrash]

"Just do what you do. That's techno." Mark eg


I think we're all enjoying our own experiments. I'm sure if one of us comes up with something new we'll be the first to know about it.

Propblem being that some people have such a narrow view of what is or sin't allowed in "underground" techno that as soon as you inject a bit of colour you're making it too cheesy or trancey or *insert adjective here*.

That's exactly the kind of b.s. that stopped me paying any attention to anyone where musics concerned. The people prattling on about originality are all people who evidently can't put their money where their mouth is. Everythings old to someone here. If you're bored of it, change scenes. There's nothing new about the stuff I hear thats sold as original but because its a) not been around for a while or B)can't be interpreted as acid techno somehow makes it superior. *yawn*

As for these arguments against percussion loop techno. Well... er scuse me but isn't that er... techno?

[Agent Orange NYC]

The title of this thred made me remember...

There's a time to live and a time to die,
and a time to meet the maker.
There's a time to live, but isn't it strange,
that as soon as you're born you're dyyyyyyyyiiiiiiiiiiin'.

10 points for whoever knows the name of that song and the artist~!

Iron Maiden - Seventh son of a seventh son

gawd!! I'm not sure of the song but I def know the artist - its been a long time since i heard that one.

damm you!! now i have to go into the archives and dig out all my old iron's stuff to find out......blah!!

got it! the clairvoyant!

thats been doin my head in

Ding ding ding - We have a winner!!! No they def don't write em like that anymore.

[gunjack]

how about JUST KEEP DOING WHAT YOU DO AND F UCK THE TRENDS????

[Ritzi Lee]

how about JUST KEEP DOING WHAT YOU DO AND F UCK THE TRENDS????

aight. creativity is in the mind without restricting yourself in a certain style.

[oldbugger]

i think dj's need to stop thinking about playing the same old sound through their whole set and concentrate on just playing quality music.

far too much shite getting played that just fills a gap if you ask me.
no clarity, no depth, no funk. but it sound like the rest of my set so i'll play it hahah.

techno is techno. we all say its about moving forward but is it really?
i tend not to agree with that.

maybe newer sounds are being made in techno but thats about it.
forgive me for being negative but theres tunes from 94/95 that wipes the floor with most of the stuff the big names are doing right now.

i still love it though :cheese:

techno needs more nice warm clear sounds again IMO rather than all this wishy washy shite.

[SlavikSvensk]

yeah i'm with oldbugger. it's all about putting your heart and soul into it, and not thinking about sets having to be this type or that. so much good music out there, old and new...mix that sh*t up!

[Mindful]

i think dj's need to stop thinking about playing the same old sound through their whole set and concentrate on just playing quality music.

far too much shite getting played that just fills a gap if you ask me.
no clarity, no depth, no funk. but it sound like the rest of my set so i'll play it hahah.

Thats so scarily true, I hear this the magority of the time and its crap.
DJs(I am one)Realy need to learn or dare to create vibe,energy and suspence with their record programming and mixing.
Its like some people are scared of loosing the floor or god forbid standing out by doing somthing different than the guy before him and the next guy after him(sorry, or her)

This may sound a bit Elitist or purist but its not intended that way but....most of the guys and gals that are comming in to techno from another scene be it hardhouse, trance, Hardcore, Hardstyle, drum and bass or whatever seem to miss the point and just bang out the biggest tunes they hav, mixing tracks at the last 16 bars with the only thing reconisable as set dynamics being that it got harder.
And the amount of peeps who get on the decks when its allready blasting out at silly speeds then proceeds to start their set faster.

Shit I could go on about this all day :)

One thing I do know, its shit like this that drives me on to make a point of trying harder to stand out in making and playing music in an individual and creative way.

I love artist but cant stand people who take the paint by numbers approach and pass it off as art(I relise that people dont give a shit about art or prggression so fair play but bums to ya)

[Ritzi Lee]

i think dj's need to stop thinking about playing the same old sound through their whole set and concentrate on just playing quality music.

far too much shite getting played that just fills a gap if you ask me.
no clarity, no depth, no funk. but it sound like the rest of my set so i'll play it hahah.

techno is techno. we all say its about moving forward but is it really?
i tend not to agree with that.

maybe newer sounds are being made in techno but thats about it.
forgive me for being negative but theres tunes from 94/95 that wipes the floor with most of the stuff the big names are doing right now.

i still love it though :cheese:

techno needs more nice warm clear sounds again IMO rather than all this wishy washy shite.

clarity, dept, funk, dirtiness, deep & hard....
everytime when I go to the record shop I want to find these elements in techno.... Mostly without succes... If there are any, it's a rare moment I'll take with both hands.

[oldbugger]

i think dj's need to stop thinking about playing the same old sound through their whole set and concentrate on just playing quality music.

far too much shite getting played that just fills a gap if you ask me.
no clarity, no depth, no funk. but it sound like the rest of my set so i'll play it hahah.

techno is techno. we all say its about moving forward but is it really?
i tend not to agree with that.

maybe newer sounds are being made in techno but thats about it.
forgive me for being negative but theres tunes from 94/95 that wipes the floor with most of the stuff the big names are doing right now.

i still love it though :cheese:

techno needs more nice warm clear sounds again IMO rather than all this wishy washy shite.

clarity, dept, funk, dirtiness, deep & hard....
everytime when I go to the record shop I want to find these elements in techno.... Mostly without succes... If there are any, it's a rare moment I'll take with both hands.

exactly.

i hear loads of stuff and i think "thats a good tune".

but its not that often anymore i hear a tune ans say "now thats quality"

why is this?

[The Divide]

The older techno was based on ideas instead of layers of loops I think

[marginmaster]

"

As for these arguments against percussion loop techno. Well... er scuse me but isn't that er... techno?

i agree, totally

[Jay Pace]

clarity, dept, funk, dirtiness, deep & hard....
everytime when I go to the record shop I want to find these elements in techno....

This sums up my feelings about much of Matthew Dear's Audion output so far.

People seem to be afraid to slow down, cut loose and do something a bit weird.
Too many people play far too fast. Bring back the funk please. There's more room to experiment when you start looking from 125bpm instead of 145 bpm.

[RDR]

live musicians
live techno jams
real musical skills / performance / interaction

Thats the way.