Turntablism...has it got a place in techno?

[Jay Pace]

Ok - is there anything you can do with beat juggling that you can't replicate perfectly with a pioneer 600 and the delay effect?

Cos I can't see what the difference is.

[Davin]

No John hussey aint teachin' in Bray at the moment I've been told he might be coming back next year and I'm going to Berlin with him & my class which should be a good laugh!!!

[Conan]

Ok - is there anything you can do with beat juggling that you can't replicate perfectly with a pioneer 600 and the delay effect?

Cos I can't see what the difference is.

You dont get the same authenticity or craftsmen like quality from the delay effect, plus any old clown can press a button and twist a parameter.

It isn't the same.

[Jay Pace]

But it sounds exactly the same, no?

Plus you can do it whilst in the mix, cutting between records doubling the beats on both.
To recreate this effect you would essentially need 4 decks and it would take too long to set up to be practical.
No prizes for authenticity. If you rock it, you rock it. End of.

[Conan]

Well no it doesnt sound the same at all, and I feel that there is prizes for authenticity.

Im goin to go a bit off the point here but stay with me.... If you buy a chair from argos it will not have the same feel to it as a chair you have hand made for you. It isn't that tangable but you notice the difference, it feels better.

I have the same opinions with regard to effects, in particular the delay effect. Sure you might think it sounds the same but there is something missing.

This is my opinion of course Jay, Im not trying to start any barney.

[Jay Pace]

hahaha mate not at all, no quarrel here :)

I've just always thought beat juggling was a bit of an over rated skill.
I rag the arse off the delay during my mixes, and do stuff there isn't a hope in hell I could do this the old way.
It would just take much too much time and require too many decks and records.

But fair play mate, different strokes for diferent folks ;)
And beat juggling does allow the possiblity of scratching in the beats, something that a pioneer couldn't allow...

[dirty_bass]

For the dancing punter, who can`t even see the decks, I doubt they would notice

[Mindful]

its not the same is it realy?
plenty of pionts and big fukk off prizes off me.
My dog can press the flashing botton on a mixer.

[Conan]

I rag the arse off the delay during my mixes, and do stuff there isn't a hope in hell I could do this the old way.
It would just take much too much time and require too many decks and records.

I hear you fair point :clap:

And Dirty I know what your saying but it can make a difference to the techno heads there , but good point.

[Mindful]

if yav saw skracth the movie-that routine mixmaster mike does with a singing track(not sure what style0 over a elerto/hip hop groove...now thats what i wanna see..fuse it together.

That is so mint.
When he cuts up the old blues record and that fat bass.
That is skillfull as hell.

Great film that by the way if any of you aint seen it.

[Jay Pace]

Love that film.

Not sure about the whole "communicating with aliens through scratching" angle. Q-Bert, hang you head in shame.

DJ shadow ruled that film.

[Mindful]

Is Shadow the dude with the goetee whos in to crate digging in that basement full of records*drool

[Mindful]

My dog can press the flashing botton on a mixer.

Must point out that his timing is whack tho

[dirty_bass]

Does it matter what amount of skill it takes as long as it sounds good, the selection is mint and the crowd get taken on a journey?

[Mindful]

suppose not dude.
Its all about the music and as you say the journey realy thats why as a guy who plays records I love The whole Ableton thing cause at the end of the day I just want to hear good thoughtfull music coming out of the system.

But Im sad and dont spend any time on the dancfloor,I spend my time staring at the guy playing music and love to see someone getting f f fressssssshhh :)

As you piont out its the music and the journey.

[dirty_bass]

Well, I am a bit of a nerd and a purist, but when it comes to club time, I`m on the floor getting down.

[EmotionComplex]

http://www.markta.co.uk/wankr/vid/dj_wankr.mpg :lol:

hahahha

[Jay Pace]

Is Shadow the dude with the goetee whos in to crate digging in that basement full of records*drool

Thats him.

Had so much respect for "entroducing" after watching that film. I just assumed he made those beats.

But the way he put it, he just kept digging through that basement and the album just put itself together. Every bit of every song a sample. Incredible.

Props to Shadow and the art of digging.

[djshiva]

how come no one mentioned DJ MURPHY >>??? guy is a fukin lunatic !!!!! u have to see+hear him for yourself to beleive it !!! :bonk:

that's techno + turntableism right there !!

haven't heard him spin (any links?), but his and christian fischer's remix of elton d gets caned by me on a fairly regular basis! :)

[djshiva]

Ok - is there anything you can do with beat juggling that you can't replicate perfectly with a pioneer 600 and the delay effect?

Cos I can't see what the difference is.

yup. while i use the delay effect to duplicate double copy sounds a bit myself, with two copies you can do a forward triple scratch and set the beat off, then back on then off then back on, then flange manually, then cut and do it all as well. i won't say i have the technique perfected, but one night me and adam jay stayed at his house (our ride never showed up to go see the advent) and practiced this trick with advent records all night.

was mighty fun too!