Turntablism...has it got a place in techno?

[gumpy green]

Ok - is there anything you can do with beat juggling that you can't replicate perfectly with a pioneer 600 and the delay effect?

Cos I can't see what the difference is.

eh???--cmon that is silly, for a start u can use 2 differnt record/parts of the tune...jugglin a vocal with a beat etc.....

why not juggle and use the delay fx....like i do in ma sig.

jugglin - you can change the pitch of the sounds, cut etc.....it is NOT THE SAME....period.

overratted- honestyly cmon...its pure art/music....only folks that cant do it would say that.

db- does it matter how skilfull as long as it sounds good????

it can sound good and be musical...ie cutting a 3/4 time sig fader over 4/4 record movments...with the same sample an uneducted(in skratching) not much difference wont notice much between doing that and a baby skratch...i can easily tell(its my fav artfrom afterall) and im hyped much more than the a record movin back and forth, fader open)...thats why thers sooo many folks trying to push it in the turntablim/hiphop scene.....we need that in techno....

iv got a not bad sounding cut going without using the fader but using the kp2 beat stutter fx to create a weird sounding "flare skrath" type cut, the cut has the same rythmatic properties but sounds just a little stutterred.....turntablim and techno fused.

think of it this way- a produced track that is quite easy made(simple patterns) can sound better than a very complex made track(to you)....which is better, the one you like, or the one with more artistic value??cause someone else will like the sound of the other more.

to the folks that dont understand whats going on the tables it dont really matter but to folk like myself who are down with the turntablism movment know whats up.....and if only 3 headz in a 500 crowd get that feeling i get when i see it flipped....FUK AYE...its worth it....

and i wouldnt dare say qbert hang your head in shame, maybe his stuff on that video aint much but he is simply the best skratcher out ther and pretty much pionerred the shit along with the fellow isp crew.....his musical rythms are up ther with any of the best musicians in the world on guitars etc....

[gumpy green]

Props to Shadow and the art of digging.

yup , thats what id like to see in techno too..

tbh- im pretty slack at it nowadays...used to be quite into diggin the weird crates.....got a few gems out likes..

im defo gonna try and dig more.

car bootsales etc...

i once got a mozart record(well know one) going through some rubbish my neabour was throwing out....bin rakin bam i am.

[marginmaster]

how come no one mentioned DJ MURPHY >>??? guy is a fukin lunatic !!!!! u have to see+hear him for yourself to beleive it !!! :bonk:

that's techno + turntableism right there !!

haven't heard him spin (any links?), but his and christian fischer's remix of elton d gets caned by me on a fairly regular basis! :)

conflicts just put one up in the worldwide techmo thread

[Jay Pace]

Fair play to you grumpy!

Q-Bert may have skills to pay his bills, but his view on alien communication are "interesting" to say the least.

Guess I've just seen a lot of very lazy beat jugglers. Never particularly impressed with a skill which could be easily achieved by using an effect. You could do away with pitch control for example, and just keep the records in time yourself by pushing them. Doesn't mean the floor would appreciate it anymore though despite the obvious skill required.

But fair play mate, watched your video and you do some really creative stuff.

[gumpy green]

the alien com is cause prob they took to much acid back in the day....

i like this weird fuked up mindset...espesh bob moogs one...check his documentary if you havent, its great watching an old dude speaking of shit like this.....me papa only knows how to make soup and smoke a pipe...lol

beat juggles- it just can be created with an fx, you could sort of recreate strobbin which is a type of juggle but on the whole it has totally different properties, you can do stuff with the delay fx you cant do with jugglin and vice versa......techno should imbrace the 2 and just think of the stuff possible.....

who do i rate as a b-juggla----- vin rock(triple threat djs- they party rock with the true musical skillz), craze, most o the beat junkies....

http://www.thetriplethreatdjs.com/

aint much vids on ther tho

btw- anybody interested in skratching this is the definative guide-

http://www.asisphonics.net/theever.zip

[gumpy green]

that skrath guide- check out the delyed flare.......and try it...haha its so complex.

[RDR]

the alien com is cause prob they took to much acid back in the day....

i like this weird fuked up mindset...espesh bob moogs one...check his documentary if you havent, its great watching an old dude speaking of shit like this.....me papa only knows how to make soup and smoke a pipe...lol

beat juggles- it just can be created with an fx, you could sort of recreate strobbin which is a type of juggle but on the whole it has totally different properties, you can do stuff with the delay fx you cant do with jugglin and vice versa......techno should imbrace the 2 and just think of the stuff possible.....

who do i rate as a b-juggla----- vin rock(triple threat djs- they party rock with the true musical skillz), craze, most o the beat junkies....

http://www.thetriplethreatdjs.com/

aint much vids on ther tho

btw- anybody interested in skratching this is the definative guide-

http://www.asisphonics.net/theever.zip

Some excellent comments there and a nice d/l... nice one!

[gumpy green]

thanks......

tutorial is by a boy called alias who is the fukin DON on the skratching..if you into pursit cutting at a high speeds and high level(you really have to be right into it) look for a tape called "braille" by alias

We still don't know if he was an individual, or an Alias (as his name implies).
Appreciate the legacy.

Everybody remember "Mind F***er Theater"? Any of you remember "Braille"?
Who here still listens to "The Buddah Fights Too"?

Aliosity is the man.....

[The Divide]

I think there’s a time and place for it totally. It makes good showmanship and I respect the amount of skill involved in it. Yes, it can be overdone, or just done badly, but the same goes with everything. Its all about balance and context

I do like the battle attitude too, that doesn’t mean whoever is flashy is the superior alpha male, but that when two djs go head to head, back to back or whatever. It can lead the set in interesting directions where it be in tune selection, or mixing

[holotropik]

I think there’s a time and place for it totally. It makes good showmanship and I respect the amount of skill involved in it. Yes, it can be overdone, or just done badly, but the same goes with everything. Its all about balance and context

I do like the battle attitude too, that doesn’t mean whoever is flashy is the superior alpha male, but that when two djs go head to head, back to back or whatever. It can lead the set in interesting directions where it be in tune selection, or mixing

also, two players pushin off each other often pushes the energy up and makes for some kick-ass sounds.....congrats equally to the both of them for this effort....amazing stuff to witness :)