Has Vinyl Limited Techno ?

**dirty_bass** · 20-01-2006, 01:12 PM

Originally Posted by Miromiric

you are such a rebel steve.

Yep,
As Zack from Rage against the maching said so well.

**** you I won`t tie up my shoe laces
**** you I won`t do as you tell me
**** you I won`t do my homework
**** you I won`t eat no greens
**** you I won`t wash my hands before diner mum

Unfortunately, mummy grounded me. :(

But I`m still rebelling, I`m not gonna drink my cocoa.

**** you I won`t use no hot water bottle.

**AcidTrash** · 20-01-2006, 01:56 PM

**** you I won`t tidy my bedroom

**The Divide** · 20-01-2006, 02:33 PM

Originally Posted by holotropik

Originally Posted by The Divide

The only limitations I can see with vinyl is that you cant have bass sounds in stereo, that the distribution company has had control over units and its cost to make

I would say that, with techno been mostly 'DJ's music', its shaped the structure and shown what gets exposed and what doesn’t. I can remember having an argument with someone a few years back about how a record should have a dj friendly 33 bar 'lead in/out'. How dumb an argument that was, nowadays I think im just going to write stuff how I want it and not give a **** about dj’s or how friendly it is. Hopefully with the digital thing, tracks will dropped in or mixed differently, beats wont be a necessary to mix with and instead the beginning or ending of a track can have other sounds mixed to a predefined tempo set on the software/hardware.

My 1p

Oh!!.....how dare you say you dont give a **** about DJs!!......dont you know how important they are? Dont you want them to play your tracks out?

hehehehe.

Ive spent nearly 8 years worshipping dj's and I respect them, some of them

But I dont see why I should shape my sound to suit anyone elses interest, its something I did in the past and I saw it as a mistake. I never really had the balls to make a weird intro for example because in the back of the mind I knew it would put a lot of dj's off. Thats not what making music is all about for me, Im more about music than the dj.

**The Divide** · 20-01-2006, 02:34 PM

But this is kind of going off topic now so :lol:

**Jay Pace** · 20-01-2006, 02:40 PM

Vinyl has limited techno.
But so would any other format.
Its just been the dominant format for ever, and its limitations are well known.

**gumpy green** · 20-01-2006, 02:50 PM

on the fuk the dj front---hell yeh make it hard for me to mix i want a chanllenge.......maybe it would help push folks away from strickly beatmatching if it was a bit harder to do so with speed changes etc......

**TechMouse** · 20-01-2006, 02:57 PM

Originally Posted by gumpy green

on the fuk the dj front---hell yeh make it hard for me to mix i want a chanllenge.......maybe it would help push folks away from strickly beatmatching if it was a bit harder to do so with speed changes etc......

Damn straight...

DJing with DJ-friendly vinyl is childs play, at best.

**The Divide** · 20-01-2006, 03:01 PM

yea :clap:

**holotropik** · 20-01-2006, 10:36 PM

Originally Posted by TechMouse

Originally Posted by gumpy green

on the fuk the dj front---hell yeh make it hard for me to mix i want a chanllenge.......maybe it would help push folks away from strickly beatmatching if it was a bit harder to do so with speed changes etc......

Damn straight...

DJing with DJ-friendly vinyl is childs play, at best.

yep.

**Mindful** · 21-01-2006, 11:05 AM

Some great pionts.
Espesh concerning whats been said about intros and dj friendly music.
It realy is limiting to what you can do and as said it is in the back of your mind(well my mind)how certain things would affect the guy whos going to play your music(I realy should stick a ride in there so it doesnt sound shit when someones mixing it in or I want to do somthin weird in the intro or with the time sig but should realy leave it till well in to the track)
Of course theirs more examples I could give and the ones I gave are possibly shit ones but.

I realy need to stop mentioning Ableton in my post but.....with Ableton this is no longer a problem for the guy making the music.

**holotropik** · 21-01-2006, 11:52 AM

Originally Posted by Mindful

Some great pionts.
Espesh concerning whats been said about intros and dj friendly music.
It realy is limiting to what you can do and as said it is in the back of your mind(well my mind)how certain things would affect the guy whos going to play your music(I realy should stick a ride in there so it doesnt sound shit when someones mixing it in or I want to do somthin weird in the intro or with the time sig but should realy leave it till well in to the track)
Of course theirs more examples I could give and the ones I gave are possibly shit ones but.

I realy need to stop mentioning Ableton in my post but.....with Ableton this is no longer a problem for the guy making the music.

...yep.

**gumpy green** · 23-01-2006, 02:50 PM

Has Vinyl Limited Techno ?

no the dj's using it have.......check out hiphop scene ...thers soo much folks doing so much crazy shit.....we should imbrace it plus add in the techno fx and shit.......thers no limit, no no limits, well reach for the sky, no valley to deep, no mountain to high.......2unlimited knew whats up

**dirty_bass** · 23-01-2006, 03:05 PM

I think the point is being skipped onto the DJ
The point has vinyl limited techno in terms of what is getting made.
Yes.
for a start, there are very few viable techno albums that aren`t just a collection of tracks that were released on vinyl.
Therefore a collection of 6min tunes.

**gumpy green** · 23-01-2006, 03:16 PM

yup but that aint vynils fault.....its producers just wanting to put out stuff for djs...

ther aint nuthing holding anybody back from writing a good flowing techno album which for instance tells a story...or whateva .

i recon its the producers themselves that hold therself back in this sence.

**gumpy green** · 23-01-2006, 03:17 PM

i for one would luv to hear more of albums that wernet as you say collection of 6mins tracks..

bring it on.....we need it 100percent.

**Sunil** · 23-01-2006, 04:47 PM

Originally Posted by gumpy green

i for one would luv to hear more of albums that wernet as you say collection of 6mins tracks..

bring it on.....we need it 100percent.

Definitely. There's an extraordinarily low amount of albums being released though. If the market allowed it and some more producers were up for it, it would be great.

**dirty_bass** · 23-01-2006, 04:55 PM

Yes, your right, it is the producers that have held back. But the limitations of vinyl have been one of the reasons. It can put you into a mindset.
And the market has been driven by vinyl sales.
However things are changing, and with the advent of the digital era, hopefully we could see a lot of change and innovation musically, in terms of the structure of the music etc.

however, I totally understand the vinyl limitation.
I`ve just started a new label, and it`s aimed at experimental stuff. It will be released digitally, and is already on vinyl, however for the vinyl release I have already had to apply certain limitations.

**Sunil** · 23-01-2006, 05:20 PM

Indeed, I agree. Making tracks with the thoughts of a techno 12" in mind can be limiting. However if there were more open minded labels out there that didn't mind being whatever the hell they wanted to be, then you might have a bit more individuality.

I guess as a label you need some cash to afford to take chances if something doesn't go right. Take a Gigolo or B-Pitch.. often very hit and miss, but at the same time doing exactly want they want to do. I remember Ellen Allien telling me that for some releases she was doing in excess of 10,000 or so units, while the next might have done a couple of hundred.

**dirty_bass** · 23-01-2006, 06:23 PM

Originally Posted by Sunil

I guess as a label you need some cash to afford to take chances if something doesn't go right. Take a Gigolo or B-Pitch.. often very hit and miss, but at the same time doing exactly want they want to do. I remember Ellen Allien telling me that for some releases she was doing in excess of 10,000 or so units, while the next might have done a couple of hundred.

Well, I don`t know if I can afford it, but I`m doing it anyway.
I just figured, to hell with it, I need to do something purely for my own satisfaction, If I invest love and money into the project then hopefully someone will appreciate the effort and the risk, but it`s more about just doing it.
I fully encourage anyone to do the same. It`s better than blowing the money on sky or brand name clothes or something.

**Ritzi Lee** · 23-01-2006, 06:50 PM

Please don't blame the vinyl.
Blame the people.

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