Come with me, she says, into... mnml

[Dustin Zahn]

Take Luka's advice! Before Minimal, I smoked an ounce of hash a day. I weighed 500 lbs. and was doing my dishes in the bath tub! But after I discovered minimal, I lost 350 lbs., I quit smoking hash, I bought a dishwasher, I've got a SWEET ski boat, and a REALLY hot wife! Boy, all this talk about mnml is making me want to smoke an ounce of hash again! "lol"

[Mindful]

Take Luka's advice! Before Minimal, I smoked an ounce of hash a day. I weighed 500 lbs. and was doing my dishes in the bath tub!

Hahahaha

[The Overfiend]

yes, mnml techno haha
i only heard this zdar fella's track..its more of electro-something...

recent statement by nathan fake
"I'm playing at I Love Techno in Belgium this weekend, which is ironic, seeing as I don't love techno."

LOL
but some of his stuff is good...

I read the same thing. He's really young and that comment was pretty cocky. He's another one of those people who have something to do with techno, but deny all ties to it to appeal cooler and more complex. Very hipster-ish. Quite talented though.


A lot of people here seem pretty bummed out. Instead of treading old ground over and over and non-stop bitching, why don't you take something trendy like this and totally twist it into something you would enjoy?


And as for Barbra...I can't believe people are all that suprised. I totally would have seen that coming.

Because it's all been done before man, Gez Varley needs to come get his crown.

[Dustin Zahn]

Yeah, but then again so has the glenn wilson tools and tribal techno. It's the same arguement on any side of the techno spectrum. My question is, what is anyone on here trying to do to bring all those elements together? To be honest, I haven't heard a completely "fresh" sounding record since '99, but I've come across a lot of great music. It's kind of funny, I remember around that time period including 2000, everyone was bitching about swedish techno and how the trend was so horrible. Now people are pissed because Beyer and co. are doing pseudo-minimal stuff now. People will always complain no matter what is popular.

Sitting on the forums, bickering about the past, and shunning trends is going to make everyone dinosaurs.

[g]

tbh, i only care if music is good or not
he/she can label music with this or that name, I dont care, if its good I'll listen to it, suggest it to others..

dunno, maybe people would be more musically creative when there would no names, no labels, they would simply make music they feel urge to make
right now, we have too many artists with "i need to make some record not to be forgotten" attitude

i think we all feel the same way. or at least i do. but you're missing the point. it's got nothing to do with the 'label', it's got to do with the tiny cyclic regurgitation of bad, passionless, pointless music. there's plenty of "minimal" that is good. tons actually. but we should probably start using capital-M "Minimal" since it's reached the point of fashion.

[The Overfiend]

Thing is D I agree with you.
I'm not shunning Minimal because it's minimal because you know the borderline minimal house stuff I love.
It's the fact that people jump on the trend and devour it and it gets played out that much quicker. Instead of being appreciated like a fine wine, it becomes mass produced for the demand of the no identity scene hopping jocks who don't know the difference between coffee and sanka.

[koma]

i think we all feel the same way. or at least i do. but you're missing the point. it's got nothing to do with the 'label', it's got to do with the tiny cyclic regurgitation of bad, passionless, pointless music. there's plenty of "minimal" that is good. tons actually. but we should probably start using capital-M "Minimal" since it's reached the point of fashion.

;)
actually I was reffering to Nathan's statement about performing at ILT, while not loving techno...

you thought I was defending mnml? nah, I agree with your words up there. and I have my laughs with local dudes explaining me how I listen to the same boring techno for years, while their mnml is fresh and exciting :lol:

[Mindful]

I think this minnimal thing must be passing me by to be honest as im still listening to whatever looks and sounds good and havent realy noticed this influx of minnimal musicother than the disscussions ive read on the internet.
To me theres loads of good minnimal techno... Surgeon, Regis, Female, Ruskin, Ho, Luka B, Grovskopa, The Mavrics ect.
This music to me is minnimal but of course not the clicky cold stuff thats apparently about at the moment(not that I dislike this stuff either)

Just my thoughts on the issue

[The Overfiend]

Click boop bloop beep
Bassline
Click dirka dirka boop water drip.

Eidolon is the only thing I've heard of this vein recently that was impressive.
Really Impressive.

[massplanck]

At least its filling clubs and selling records.

I dont see what all the fuss is about. Hard techno bandwagaon jumpers complaining about minimal techno bandwagon jumpers.

Minimal is cool. But so is playing Regis and the latest Christian Vogel record.

I dont care. Doesnt bother me. Why should it.

[massplanck]

Click boop bloop beep
Bassline
Click dirka dirka boop water drip.

bang bang bang bang tsssh tsssh tsssh crasssh bang bang bang.

[massplanck]

To be honest, I haven't heard a completely "fresh" sounding record since '99,

what was that then? what record?

[Stella Boy]

Click boop bloop beep
Bassline
Click dirka dirka boop water drip.

bang bang bang bang tsssh tsssh tsssh crasssh bang bang bang.

:lol:

[Dustin Zahn]

It's the fact that people jump on the trend and devour it and it gets played out that much quicker. Instead of being appreciated like a fine wine, it becomes mass produced for the demand of the no identity scene hopping jocks who don't know the difference between coffee and sanka.

That's just the industry for you. It will be that way for anything. For a minute, everybody went nuts on stuff like Drumcode. Even hard house DJs like Fergie hopped onto that wagon. Then came the latin thing, so many people went nuts for that right away too. The scene saturates itself way quicker than it can handle. I just take the elements or records I like and move on.


The funny thing is, people talk about how minimal is the big new trendy thing and its so "Berlin" but really its not as much as people think. Its afterhours stuff. Stuff like Misc., Tony Rohr, Oliver Koletzki, Trentemoeller, etc. is selling well right now and its all electro-techno stuff. Check out decks.de, the top 40 sales charts is mostly electroish stuff and not so much minimal.

I think the best way to go about looking at these kinds of music is asking ones self what elements you do like about the music. What sounds or ideas of the trend/genre interest you? What would it take to appeal to you? How can use what you appreciate and incorporate into your music and change your sound for the better? If people turn their nose up to everything so quickly, it will be harder to get good outside influences.

Dark industrial techno is a great example. I love the stuff to death but one has to admit the influences are a bit incestual. Everybody often cites the same names for past and current influences. In return, a lot of is just dark souless, drum tracks with pads and no hooks. In the end, There usually isn't a whole lot of outside influences and it shows.

[RDR]

Come with me into minimal she says...

I'd rather go intp the bathroom with her and force her to not sniff the coke.

Same for the other minimal posing wankers.

i blame coke, makes people see shit that isnt there. Bloody minimal

Break out the basic channel records, thats how ya do minimal.

[massplanck]

That coke thing might be nearer the truth than you think. But so what, coke went hand in hand with most of the music that came out of the 80's. Doesnt mean ots not valid.

Minimal is popular now well because people like it and lets face it its a change from all the usual kkkompression and +142 bpm's for 12 hours straight.

For the record i hate coke and own no minimal tunes. I just like buckfast and coool looking machines.

[Patrick DSP]

all i keep thinking about when i hear that title is...
"come with me, tonight's the ni-ight, can't you see, i wanna be with you..." - "Activ-8" - Altern8

[RDR]

That coke thing might be nearer the truth than you think. But so what, coke went hand in hand with most of the music that came out of the 80's. Doesnt mean ots not valid.

Minimal is popular now well because people like it and lets face it its a change from all the usual kkkompression and +142 bpm's for 12 hours straight.

For the record i hate coke and own no minimal tunes. I just like buckfast and coool looking machines.

You clocked that for what it is.. a knee jerk reaction.... trolling TBH.

i agree about the coke thing, but you could say that for all sorts of drugs... things that influence. drugs or music, people take their pick.

142? i've been running at 143 fora while now.. for the live stuff, it means i can vary tempo a bit more depending on the crowd, for no other reason than that,for production my all time fave is 137.655 and 141.8 for certain bass keys... but i digress. (thats a practical statement, not one aimed at the 142 comment- TBH i haveno idea what others run at...(

I like the idea of coke, but then i also like the idea of most stuff... except perhaps the venga boys...

the practice is hideous, so **** it. Drugs do nothing in the long term, only self process and self help. Screw the books tho' you hide nothing from yourself, not even the truth.

Whats the minimal truth? As a genre its strips down the elements we hear in music and presents them as aurally obvious, "Here is the kick, now have a hat, bleep - gosh its an interesting sound, have some reverb aflcited post clap early release and check out the velocity difference on the kick." P.S. start chin stroking.

All that happens is that as usual the real pioneeers of the music get lost in a quagmire of medocrity, served up courtesy of mixmag or the currentl scene they bootlick around.

So we discovoered minimal again, and look we even have a ****ing txt version of the name. Minimal has minimised itself.

Rant: End

and for the ladies

MNML DOES NOT live in my pants. :eyes: thats the distance between me removing your knickers with my teeth and your eyeballs rolling into the back of your head and 15mins of your legs shakin involunTARLY!!! YEAH!

[teknorich]

Saying all minimal heads are into coke is like saying all techno heads are into ecstasy. Just a mindless generalisation.

Anyways, why not have both?! It always picks my night up!!

[oldbugger]

its shocking how narrow minded a supposedly forward thinking scene is.

i love all forms of minimal old and new. i always have. and i'm not into it coz of my coke habbit :lol:

its becoming a joke now though with how many have jumped onto it. but its only whats happened to funky loopy stuff over the past 5 years.

funny how its gone full circle though, everyones playing quo vardis and lemon 8 :lol: just goes to prove they were qwuality tunes that have deffinatly stodd the test of time, and thats pretty rare in dance music.

but look on the bright side. it could of been schranz that became this big.