The roots of our sound - interesting read

[gunjack]

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[tocsin]

i don't get this detorit techno hate you have miro. this is v important music. we would not be here if it wasnt for that.

Honestly, Mark, it's that meme you just repeated above that makes me have hate for such articles. I really do get sick and tired of hearing "if not for Detroit, we wouldn't be here." Bullshit. The 4/4 bass beat and the "breakbeat" were something well known to mankind at this point. So, some people went out, bought some gear, and used it to reproduce just that. In the end, it was just a matter of time and exposure. Hell, I don't really like ANY of the detroit sound, the minimal sound and, to a substantial degree, the "techno" sound. I find it all incredibly boring and, while everyone loves to lump the Detroit guys in their as being responsible for all the techno music that came about later, most of the stuff I listen to is pulling its influences from elsewhere to a much more substantial degree.

So, nah, I'm never going to accept the "we wouldn't be here" meme. It deserves to be hated because it's a crock of shit. Sooner or later, someone was going to program a 4-on-the-floor beat or a break into a computer. In fact, people had. **** the hype.

[SlavikSvensk]

well, the early chicago records on trax, etc. to me seem to have as much in common with today's techno as first wave detroit records. i love detroit, and give it mad props, but don't like it when people get their blinders on and ignore all the other artists and movements instrumental in shaping this music. found that mentality a lot in the jolly state of michigan a good decade+ ago...see it on a certain other forum as well quite often ;)

[Ritzi Lee]

You know what the funny part is. Everybody talking about industrial this, and unique and I don't care that: They all repeat the words said back in 1987.... It's so funny history repeating itself. You wouldn't denny techno was also an inspiration from the industrial side of music. Ask Atkins.... :P

[ds2]

just a thought before you all right it off...

wavefrom transmissions, minimal nation, drexciya, hardwax, extremist,
inteferon + alan oldham, jam the box, denham & black nation...

there's alot more to it than the watered down wishy washy melodic shite
that passes for detroit techno these days.

it used to be that euro producers like slater, voorn, rachmad were
labelled detroit style artists now it's all this tech-house garbage.

it's become just another genre.

[Miromiric]

Pseudo Peni$ envy Mark.
I know he isn't racist!
Lol.

lol, you ****ing african-american you :-D

[Miromiric]

i don't get this detorit techno hate you have miro. this is v important music. we would not be here if it wasnt for that.

i don`t hate it, i`m just saying there is a lot of history missing there. techno has such a huge background, but people constaNtly repeat the same thing about those detroit guys. they just named the thing and were not the first or last who made techno.
i cannot say i respect them, simply `cause i have no ****ing idea how their music sounds like and i cannot say i disrespect them for the same reason ;)
they obviously played a huge part for some people, but not for me. if they never existed there would still be techno, maybe camouflaged under a different name.
the thing is, i strongly believe that what techno actually stands for as idea is a bit more then 20 years old.

[Miromiric]

Time to tear up the history books.

Most good techno these days isn't actually called techno.

that`s right.

[Akkachar]

im not too kind about detroit and stuff ( most of the times its too sweat and warm, and i cant stand that jazzy stuff) and when i see them play they make my arsch itch... but when it comes to releases of mills, hood and some ur thingies they've my full attention...

[Sunil]

Most good techno these days isn't actually called techno.

Good stuff
Elaborate killa!

Well, I'll give an example or two...

One of my favourite 'techno' tracks of last year was by Fourtet, from his album. It wouldn't be classed as techno, you wouldn't hear many techno DJs playing it, but there's no doubt to me what it was and what it sounded like... and that was techno. It had techno sounds, it shuffled a lot, it was experimental, and it totally rocks.

Likewise harder techno wise I've found producers like Bryan Fury to be making stuff that excites me in the same way that hard techno from the past did. It's hardcore that he makes, and if you drop one of his tracks at a techno night people can go totally nuts because it is unexpected, it sounds different in tempo and is basically more off the hook. But it is not classed strictly as techno.

The examples I've given are stuff that's on the fringes of techno in a way, obviously there's loads of stuff that has 'techno' attributes but is something entirely different in name or style. I guess the point I'm making is that you can hear and capture a similar kind of 'techno' feeling in other styles, far quicker than you would in techno nowadays. I'm not being negative, but I think many people are too keen to look into the past and give credit where it has already been given a million times, than forget about it, embrace new styles and really look into the future. Techno as we know it has basically run its course in terms of innovation, the lines have been drawn and most of it is safe. Maybe if we became less sacred about the word, the scene might become more exciting or diverse.

[SlavikSvensk]

i don't see why people can't simultaneously give props to detroit and also the other influences on our music. but for a lot of people, it's got to be one or the other...

[dirty_bass]

We stand on the shoulders of many, from all parts of the music spectrum, there isn`t time to give credit to all those it is due to.

[SlavikSvensk]

We stand on the shoulders of many, from all parts of the music spectrum, there isn`t time to give credit to all those it is due to.

sure there is. that's one of the reasons we all spend so damned much time on this forum :)

[The Overfiend]

I am happy to see what people have to say here finally!
Hey Miro, I'm not black, I just play one on Tv.

[xfive]

Hey Miro, I'm not black, I just play one on Tv.

And even then, it's only on the weekends.

[Mindful]

I hate that show, it sucks