Quote Originally Posted by COL ECSTATIC
Quote Originally Posted by djTequila
F*ck me!

Don't pull your punches, mate!

*sigh*

Seems like no-one's in this for having a bit of fun any more. Believe me, the people dancing to this music are way more up for a having a laugh than the people producing it - a fact which it would be wise to remember, lest we all end up making tech house or nu-skool breaks.

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yeah if you think commercial shite is fun, then go get off on it, just dont post this shite on an underground forum, i think mixmag have a forum, and i guess they would be more than happy to indulge themselves within this idea.

its ideas such as this that give hard trance a bad name, its also the reason why hard trance is suffering right now.

when i hear music, i like to hear honesty, and moralistic value within it, if you enjoy dancing round to this ones storming this storming, so here comes the fu*king warning(yawn zzzz zzzz zzz) then get yourself to mixmag, hows that for a fu*king warning :lol:
I simply cannot stand this 'holier than thou' musical attitude. I get it everywhere, and it is often the *cause* of a musical style suffering.

Hard trance is suffering because it is an extreme/narrowly defined style of a form of music, and thus has a shelf life built in. See hard house, uplifting trance, gabber, deep progressive trance, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.

I'm gonna get flamed for this, but wtf. It's what I believe... The whole dance music 'revolution' is faltering now because of the endless division and subdivision it suffered a little while back. It used to be the case that there were hunderds of thousands of people into 'dance' music, so you could take a van full of freshly pressed vinyl and shift the lot at a rave. Now you get little pockets of people into very exactly defined genres, all dissing eachother's chosen forms of music, none of the pockets big enough to support an industry that will keep things progressing & growing.

And as the individual crowds get smaller, more incestuous, and more cliquey, the attitude that I always hated in popular culture, and turned to dance music to get away from, starts to rear its ugly head...

This makes me very sad.

Remember the scene that started it all in this country. Acid house was about taking raw beats, snatches of popular culture, a 303 and a cheeky grin and creating something that made a crowd of people go 'Wooop'. When I see people getting all serious and deep about MUSIC DESIGNED TO MAKE PEOPLE GRIN I don't know wether to laugh or cry. This music was meant to be anti-culture, using the memes of the establishment against them. It got all deep when commercial interests started to take notice, and used larger budgets, expensive producers and better equipment to force the underground scene out of the market.

You can't get very deep on an Amiga 4 track noisetracker.

'Honesty and moralistic value' eh? Can't say I've EVER heard that expressed in music. Certainly not hard trance. Not dance music ever, in fact. The idea of 'morals' was never close to my mind when thrashing about like a loon to pounding beats. And I had all the honesty I needed slowly dissolving through my system and making my brain fizz.

Maybe I'm just jaded from living in London. But I want music to be FUN dammit! Otherwise what's the FU*KING POINT?

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