music is not ( supposed to be) free!!!!

**gunjack** · 07-03-2006, 08:36 PM

should say *buy, not "but" CAN WE GET A FREAKING EDIT BUTTON ALREADY?!

oldbugger · 07-03-2006, 08:39 PM

Originally Posted by deafmosaic

seriously though, the idea is to create a record that is more than just a piece of petrolium. ppl but the records because they want to hold a physical piece of the artist in their hands. this is why it is good to do concept records with full artwork covers etc and really concentrate on marketing, but at the same time it is so expensive to put art on your records and keep concepts intact that nowadays it becomes a vicious cycle...

maybe thats still the case with some people, but that is deffinatly dieing.

it is obvious to see that the future is in digital dowloads of some sort. if it isn't obvious to you maybe you will be one of those that gets left behind in all the shit. ;)

**gunjack** · 07-03-2006, 08:41 PM

oh thank you expert of the music insutry, what ever would we do without you? somebody get this guy a helmet....

oldbugger · 07-03-2006, 08:44 PM

Originally Posted by deafmosaic

oh thank you expert of the music insutry, what ever would we do without you? somebody get this guy a helmet....

thankyou ;)

xxxx

**gunjack** · 07-03-2006, 08:44 PM

left behind in all the shit? how many records do you have out? maybe you talk like that to your little friends but this aint your grandmas house there guy.

anyway are you saying that all music will be downloaded in the future and the physical medias will be lost? what a joke.

full quality, physical releases will never be in danger until the quality of downloads is better than mp3.

i love how folks insist on this, that or the other being "the future" when they have no biz in the industry in the first place.

oldbugger · 07-03-2006, 08:45 PM

try reading the thread then gunjack

**Jay Pace** · 07-03-2006, 08:46 PM

Some really gutsy passionate stuff here.

I'm with Divide. More people are making music now than ever.
Talent will get noticed and rise to the top, fake djs and formulaic boring producers will sink to the bottom.

I'm not paying £8 for a piece of plastic with a picture on it. Why pay to keep a pressing house and distributor in business?
I'd rather pay the artist direct.

Too many links in the chain. Cut them out.

**Jay Pace** · 07-03-2006, 08:48 PM

Oh and gunjack - plenty of shops sell WAV files now. Buying them in 24-96 not impossible.
Which would be better than CD.

oldbugger · 07-03-2006, 08:49 PM

Originally Posted by deafmosaic

i love how folks insist on this, that or the other being "the future" when they have no biz in the industry in the first place.

thats how ****in arrogant you are.

i used to buy gunjack tunes in the past.. i would never give anything to such an arrogant prick as you though. the shit you spout is untrue.

sorry to everyone here.. this has nothing to do with this post.. just this joker in general.

**dirty_bass** · 07-03-2006, 08:49 PM

It`s a toss up really.
some people prefer to buy more than data, and it is nice to have some physical product in your hands, but at the same time you can`t ignore the ipod generation (although sometimes I do wanna slap those trendy fashion following white earphone wearing buggers).
What techno needs, as was just discussed, is our own online distribution network, not just all the other download sites, as they are a mash up and don`t recognise the cult/specialist following of techno, some kind of online mp3/wav pay portal that represents techno.

**dirty_bass** · 07-03-2006, 08:50 PM

For us by us.

**gunjack** · 07-03-2006, 08:50 PM

Originally Posted by oldbugger

try reading the thread then gunjack

try reading the brown eye dirty there fukwit

**gunjack** · 07-03-2006, 08:52 PM

as for selling WAVs, connection speed is the issue.

**Jay Pace** · 07-03-2006, 08:54 PM

some kind of online mp3/wav pay portal that represents techno.

Beatport?
Where I buy most of my stuff these days...

**Jay Pace** · 07-03-2006, 08:55 PM

Originally Posted by deafmosaic

as for selling WAVs, connection speed is the issue.

Bandwidth doubles about every 9 months.
20 meg pipes into homes in some places.

Speed not going to be an issue in a year or two.

**gunjack** · 07-03-2006, 08:56 PM

Originally Posted by oldbugger

Originally Posted by deafmosaic

i love how folks insist on this, that or the other being "the future" when they have no biz in the industry in the first place.

thats how **** arrogant you are.

i used to buy gunjack tunes in the past.. i would never give anything to such an arrogant prick as you though. the shit you spout is untrue.

sorry to everyone here.. this has nothing to do with this post.. just this joker in general.

now see here dickhead: i wouldnt have spoken to you like that had you not TALKED DOWN to me with your freaking: "it is obvious to see that the future is in digital dowloads of some sort. if it isn't obvious to you maybe you will be one of those that gets left behind in all the shit. "

can u give me a f ucking break please?

dont like being talked to in an arrogant way? maybve try showing the respect you EXPECT in return.

**eyeswithoutaface** · 07-03-2006, 08:58 PM

from this thread i can easily make out 2 dividing camps.

One camp genuinely just doesnt care about making money on their music, they are grateful enough they have the talen, skills, resources and opportunities open to them to be releasing music, wether this is via the medium of vinyl or the digital domain. Any monie's due in are seen as a welcome bonus to this camp. The music is certainly without a doubt the main incentive in this camp. The other camp seem's to automatically assume they should be getting paid good whack for everything they do, regardless of sale's, the current market etc etc and whilst maintaining a solid love for the music, its quite clear that there is a greater love for making some money. Which is great if that's what you want, i couldnt care less. I know which camp im in!

People using the fact they have records out or quoting numbers of sale's as a defence in a debate are so misled its untrue, its quite apparent that pretty much any monkey can get a record released these days if they try, i even know people who have records due out who havent tried at all and its still happened, that's how easy it is

but

me, well, im interested in getting my MUSIC out there. That's the big difference. You have to decide wether you want to carry on putting out music, or carry on putting out records. If it's the latter, then really, just stop the constant moaning when someone puts it online or it doesnt sell well, because i think you'd have to be naive not to at least consider these happening anyway, so i think people need to stop acting like there the first person it's happened too

Jay is bang on. Too many link's in the chain

if it carrie's on like this, releasing will become such a minefield both morally and materialistically, that i think alot of people wont bother!

**gunjack** · 07-03-2006, 08:59 PM

Originally Posted by Jay Pace

Originally Posted by deafmosaic

as for selling WAVs, connection speed is the issue.

Bandwidth doubles about every 9 months.
20 meg pipes into homes in some places.

Speed not going to be an issue in a year or two.

well that is a good point i suppose, but most countries have a longer road ahead of them than 2 years. uk, usa, japan, korea maybe, but the rest of the world will need to catch up, but anyway i am not against digital music but for a collector or enthusiast there will never be a replacement for a physical release. it is more than just recorded music. it is something crafted by the artist and presented to the world.....

**gunjack** · 07-03-2006, 09:01 PM

Originally Posted by eyeswithoutaface

if it carrie's on like this, releasing will become such a minefield both morally and materialistically, that i think alot of people wont bother!

what he said.

oldbugger · 07-03-2006, 09:02 PM

Originally Posted by deafmosaic

Originally Posted by oldbugger

Originally Posted by deafmosaic

i love how folks insist on this, that or the other being "the future" when they have no biz in the industry in the first place.

thats how **** arrogant you are.

i used to buy gunjack tunes in the past.. i would never give anything to such an arrogant prick as you though. the shit you spout is untrue.

sorry to everyone here.. this has nothing to do with this post.. just this joker in general.

now see here dickhead: i wouldnt have spoken to you like that had you not TALKED DOWN to me with your freaking: "it is obvious to see that the future is in digital dowloads of some sort. if it isn't obvious to you maybe you will be one of those that gets left behind in all the shit. "

can u give me a f ucking break please?

dont like being talked to in an arrogant way? maybve try showing the respect you EXPECT in return.

i dont want respect.. but i sure as hell wont give it to you anyway. if you don't understand why there is no hope. you talk down to everyone and seem to think you are the be all and end all.

i swore blind i wouldnt get involved in a thread that you were in ever again...

i'll remember in futere..

ok DICKHEAD?

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