Quote Originally Posted by eyeswithoutaface
from this thread i can easily make out 2 dividing camps.

One camp genuinely just doesnt care about making money on their music, they are grateful enough they have the talen, skills, resources and opportunities open to them to be releasing music, wether this is via the medium of vinyl or the digital domain. Any monie's due in are seen as a welcome bonus to this camp. The music is certainly without a doubt the main incentive in this camp. The other camp seem's to automatically assume they should be getting paid good whack for everything they do, regardless of sale's, the current market etc etc and whilst maintaining a solid love for the music, its quite clear that there is a greater love for making some money. Which is great if that's what you want, i couldnt care less. I know which camp im in!

People using the fact they have records out or quoting numbers of sale's as a defence in a debate are so misled its untrue, its quite apparent that pretty much any monkey can get a record released these days if they try, i even know people who have records due out who havent tried at all and its still happened, that's how easy it is

but

me, well, im interested in getting my MUSIC out there. That's the big difference. You have to decide wether you want to carry on putting out music, or carry on putting out records. If it's the latter, then really, just stop the constant moaning when someone puts it online or it doesnt sell well, because i think you'd have to be naive not to at least consider these happening anyway, so i think people need to stop acting like there the first person it's happened too

Jay is bang on. Too many link's in the chain

if it carrie's on like this, releasing will become such a minefield both morally and materialistically, that i think alot of people wont bother!
that`s all a bit black and white really.
Expecting to get fairly paid for your work isn`t greedy.
I know that you Scot, send your stuff to loads of labels for release, and I know that if those labels dissapear, it will afect you directly.
Sure we need digital downloads for techno, our own place that everyone can go to that knows and specialises in digital techno etc.
But vinyl is still the main medium that gets played in the clubs etc.
When I see the attitude "oh **** surgeon/whoever", when talking about illegal downlaods etc, we are looking at a total lack of respect.

I don`t think many, me included, expect to get rich running a label, but as long as it pays for itself, then thats cool. However when people download and then use your stuff to play in ableton or whatever, with no permission, it is just disrespectful.

The fact is this scene is getting smaller, so why can`t we just support each other for ****s sake.
What`s wrong with that?
If we go the other way
the selfish way
then we are just as bad as the other shit eating commercial bollocks, but even worse, we are on a smaller scale, and feeding off each other.
There is no winner in this race, so we need to stop looking at things with the ME outlook.
We should all be helping each other cross the line together, or we will soon find out there is no race, just a bunch of selfish ****ers walking blindly down empty roads.