**format wars** vinyl ? mp3 ? cd ? turntables ? ableton ?

[rhythmtech]

but its not the same when you cant frame it up and put it on your wall.

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as much as im 100% digital these days.. ^^this statement is very very true and i hope that all my future releases will be available in both formats.

[Dj-Richie-Parker]

yea well for me the vinyl is a part of the passion, bulky as it may be i still loves it.., warts n all

[icb]

the question is this: will vinyl die completely or not, what I mean is that I like vinyl and I will buy it as long as I can play with it on a party night. When there is no more turntables on partys and no more vinyls to come by, than it`s all over. I don`t care if somebody use something else, I just don`t want to stop mixing the analog way. So will it happen? Will vinyl die completely or not?

[Dj-Richie-Parker]

Who is to know..?? im afraid of it becomming mandatory to just have cd dex in a club and mabey one vinyl turnable...:paranoid:

I think it would be a big mistake to let this happen, it would be hard to stop this happening though..lets face it the mp3 cd ableton method has alot going for it...

i think buying a vinyl was a part of dance becomming so unique and cool..??

I think it would be a shame to let it go because of other methods of djing and playing music have more advantages...

It would be like getting rid of your mrs. who you love and grew up with for a broad which has big tits and fancy features, and who isnt as much work..!

I like that description..

So basically all you guys giving up vinyl, shame on you..

You may as well go out and commit adultry...!! :lol:

[oldbugger]

So basically all you guys giving up vinyl, shame on you..

not given up...just enjoying ableton too much.

It would be like getting rid of your mrs. who you love and grew up with for a broad which has big tits and fancy features, and who isnt as much work..!

i did that too. :lol:

[Evil G]

well there are audiophiles out there still paying into the tens of thousands of dollars for turntables and cartridges and preamps, so i *know* that vinyl as a medium wont die any time soon.

what kind of music still makes it to vinyl is another question. techno? hard to say, since it's mostly skint kids buying it, not rich old farts. but still i think there will always be a small demand for vinyl from purists and collectors.

i think it would be cool if labels put out vinyl as a limited edition collectors sort of thing a few months earlier than the cd/mp3 release. maybe different mixes so the vinyl holds it's value.

[Dj-Richie-Parker]

what kind of music still makes it to vinyl is another question. techno? hard to say, since it's mostly skint kids buying it, not rich old farts. .

Even though vinyl is more expensive..? i suppose turtables are cheaper than cd dex or laptops..!

But i dunno, where is the love gone people..!

I still find it exiting to order tracks and have it arrive, open it up, give em a quick sniff and cue em up...Rarrrrrrrrr!!!

Try sniffin an mp3!

[rhythmtech]

It would be like getting rid of your mrs. who you love and grew up with for a broad which has big tits and fancy features, and who isnt as much work..!

I like that description..

So basically all you guys giving up vinyl, shame on you..

You may as well go out and commit adultry...!! :lol:

sorry ritchie but i find that quite insulting. i've had been playing vinyl for ten years nearly and then switched to ableton. now, ableton is easy to use badly but then again so are dex. any idiot can string the end of to tracks together on dex.

the amount of work that goes into an ableton set is unreal and the amount of practice to get it right is huge.

also... whoever said that techno had to be played on dex? is there an unwritten rule? i firmly believe that anyone that has this "vinyl facist" state of mind is a lot less "techno" than the rest of us.

i realise shops, labels & plants are closing and it really saddens me but throwing the blame on anyone that chooses a differant medium is childish. maybe the labels should look to themselves for reasons.
unfortunatly what happens is that the smaller, better labels take the hit for the mistakes of the bigger labels that can afford the slump.

one other thing... why do all the "vinyl ONLY" crew spend their days moaning about and belittling digital users? have you all nothing better to be doing? cause i sure as hell dont hear much complaining about vinyl from our side. or maybe its just that we've learned to embrace the changes...

[oldbugger]

still find it exiting to order tracks and have it arrive,

yeah finally.. when you can manage to go and collect them coz your never in when they deliver them.


great that.

i was the biggest die hard vinyl junkie once. but now there are so easier ways to get music.

its nothing to do with how cheap decks are or whatever.. i already have them. its about whats a better format. and right now..for me its certainly not vinyl.. far from it.

[Dj-Richie-Parker]

jees dont take some much offence, no need to defend your actions

i aint moaning, my post was ment as more of a laugh...

i prefer vinyl, thats me, and im not any less techno because of it, now that is a bit childish...

sorry if i came accross that people are krap because of not being a vinlyl junkie like me, i know im being more closed minded on the whole thing, i probably will conceed eventually, but not just yet..

djing is djing, using ableton is more music making so they cant really be compared...

[Dj-Richie-Parker]

[quote="rhythmtech"] any idiot can string the end of to tracks together on dex. quote]

i hate that, i dont think i could do that anymore, ya just gotta manipulate

[rhythmtech]

i prefer vinyl, thats me, and im not any less techno because of it, now that is a bit childish...

please do not misqoute me.. read again what i said... in no way does it say that people that "prefer" vinyl are any less techno..

i dont perticularly like being misquoted on this topic

[rhythmtech]

whoever said that techno had to be played on dex? is there an unwritten rule? i firmly believe that anyone that has this "vinyl facist" state of mind is a lot less "techno" than the rest of us.

in no way does that attack anyone for perfering vinyl. it refers to the idiots out there that think vinyl is the only format that is "acceptable"

[Dj-Richie-Parker]

sorry your rite there i missread ya, ;)

[rhythmtech]

djing is djing, using ableton is more music making so they cant really be compared...

eh? :lol: :lol:

man you really gotta do some research.. there are hundres od people using ableton for djing..

[Dj-Richie-Parker]

Ok should have used the word "Can" they be compared..?

sorry i just dont see spinning discs in the same light as tweekin knobs and using a mouse, or even a crossfader on a laptop, im not saying one is better than the other im saying they are diferent...

so do you have a set worked out with ableton, or do you just decide "off da cuff" to pick a track out of the hard drive and cue it up with yer mouse etc...

[rhythmtech]

i do a half live/half dj set with it. i have all my live stuff already to go but it can be changed around as much as i like. withthe dj side of things i usually have a channel set up as my "bag" with about 30/40 tunes ready to go and can pick and choose, depending on crowd reaction. but then theres about 500/600 files on the hard drive anyway so i can pull them.

as for control.. how is it not like a "traditional" set up? have my midi contoller is set up for the live stuff and the other half is set up like a traditional dj mixer.. crossfader and all!!!

again ritchie... do the research! :)

[rhythmtech]

the ONLY differance is that i dont have to worry about beatmatching.. but i've djed with vinyl for so long now that that wasnt an issue anyway.. so really all i've done is given myself more time to work the mix and get it sounding better for the crowd. which is what really matters.

[The Divide]

I like them all

One of the major pitfalls with ableton and controllers is the high latency tho. Does anyone know if this has been solved? I think with plenty of controllers an ableton set would probably be as interesting stage show as someone on the decks.

[rhythmtech]

i use my controller midi'd up to an audiophile usb soundcard with absolutly no latency issues at all... i think its about .021 or something ridiculasly low. doesnt affect my performance at all.