**format wars** vinyl ? mp3 ? cd ? turntables ? ableton ?

[djshiva]

i had to throw in my three cents here.

i am definitely sitting with one foot in both camps. i have djed vinyl for 11 years now, and will never stop. that said, i am working now on implementing ableton into my dj sets as well. anything that makes it more fun, is fine by me.

i could never go all ableton, because quite frankly, there is a certain physicality to djing with 2 or 3 decks and mixer that i just can't get with just a laptop. flipping thru the box and seeing that orange label that i hadn't planned on playing, but that would work perfectly...cueing up the record in just a few seconds and dropping it right into the mix, cutting the fader back and forth and then just dropping the shit...ahhh...i can't give that up. no way. never.

but i can certainly see the fun of augmenting that with custom edits, my own tracks, and fun little surprises that i could never pull off with only vinyl. how bout throwing in a timbaland bassline over some laidback luke jack? i can do that! dropping DnB basslines at half speed under kraftwerk? yup. my favorite thing lately...M.I.A. with electro...now THAT is freakin' fun!

i still think the luddites have some catching up to do, and the laptop only sets are missing something basic and physical. so i opted to use both. absolutes are for mathematicians and full-time internet debaters...let's play some tunes and rock the dancefloor, cuz at the end of the day, the only thing the punters care about is whether the music is pumpin' and they are breakin' a sweat! ;)

[Jay Pace]

Final scatch all the way.
All the joys of mixing vinyl with none of the associated hassles.

If only tractor had VST support I would wet myself. Or if you could integrate ableton

ARE YOU LISTENING NATIVE INSTRUMENTS?

[djshiva]

jay: have you delved into ms pinky, and the ms pinky pluggo?

i have been looking into that, but until they have a better interface, i will have to wait. but to be able to spin vinyl from inside ableton, and make use of all of the effects? ooooh fun!

[acidsaturation]

Any new technology can be a double edged sword in the way that it makes things easier and hence makes it easier for people with less talent to look like they have it.

Maybe we need to just be more discerning and accept that what ever way people play there will always be some who cheat, but there will always be more who innovate. Vinyl's nice to own, but if something else does the job as well/better/differently then why not...?

Maybe we need to ditch the idea of the DJ and be performers: Which ever way we perform?

[rhythmtech]

though, to be fair, it's traditionally the art of playing other people's music using vinyl records ;)

to be fair its traditionally old tapes cut and spliced and played back through tape machines.. although to be fair its gramaphone 78's.. although to be fair its lads wearin grass skirts hammerin away at bongos.. although to be fair.. blah blah you get were i'm goin?

[aggressor]

I have only ever used Technics turntables
never used cds/pcs/effects/software

just strait up black stuff --

not to say I would not try anything else , just never had the choice while I was Djing. Was lucky to get a mixer with a working EQ tbh

[Analog.1]

I personally believe a DJ should just play and mix other peoples music just like a DJ is supposed to rather than trying to become a producer by using software like ableton. If a tune is meant to have some kind of effect on it the producer would of created the tune that way in the first place, you dont need some kid coming along applying low/hi cut filters on top of tunes because he thinks it sounds cool. I want a DJ to play and mix records 100% untouched so I know what that im hearing is what the producer wants us to be hearing not what some kid with a laptop is making us hear.

[Jay Pace]

I personally believe a DJ should just play and mix other peoples music just like a DJ is supposed to rather than trying to become a producer by using software like ableton. If a tune is meant to have some kind of effect on it the producer would of created the tune that way in the first place, you dont need some kid coming along applying low/hi cut filters on top of tunes because he thinks it sounds cool. I want a DJ to play and mix records 100% untouched so I know what that im hearing is what the producer wants us to be hearing not what some kid with a laptop is making us hear.

Do you object to two records being played at the same time?

C'mon mate, thats a bit limiting. In the right hands FX and tricks make ordinary tunes sparkle, and amazing tunes knock everyone for six. At the same time I've seen djs waste amazing tunes by not knowing what to do with them. All a question of who's behind the decks/laptop/gramaphone/abacus etc

[TechMouse]

I want a DJ to play and mix records 100% untouched so I know what that im hearing is what the producer wants us to be hearing not what some kid with a laptop is making us hear.

That's a pretty narrow vision of music you've got there mate.

Suprised you don't object to a DJ "distorting the artist's true vision of his / her track" by mixing other tunes into the beginning and end.

Might as well sit at home and listen to the original tracks through headphones.

IMHO the great thing about Techno (more so than any other form of electronic music) is that it thrives on being ****ed with. The greatest joy I have as a DJ is finding two records which sit together so well that the whole becomes greater than the sum of it's parts, and you get them so locked together you can start going mental on the crossfader and it still sounds tight.

3 decks? Bring it on.

I think Ableton is just an extension of this, you can really go to town deconstructing stuff and putting it back together with your own slant.

As a producer, nothing would please me more than someone pulling apart one of my tracks and putting it together - with other stuff - to dancefloor devastating effect.

[Mindful]

I personally believe a DJ should just play and mix other peoples music just like a DJ is supposed to rather than trying to become a producer by using software like ableton. If a tune is meant to have some kind of effect on it the producer would of created the tune that way in the first place, you dont need some kid coming along applying low/hi cut filters on top of tunes because he thinks it sounds cool. I want a DJ to play and mix records 100% untouched so I know what that im hearing is what the producer wants us to be hearing not what some kid with a laptop is making us hear.

Yeah I once had a dj freind who tried to be creative so we had to chop off his hands and burn his minds eye.

was great fun

[oldbugger]

:lol:

right..from now on we have tune after tune with a pause between each one.
what a great idea that is....i'm gonna try it :lol:

its amazing how you hear ideas like that and cant understand why you didnt think of it yoursef. this will be the next big thing for sure.

anyone wanna but a djm...i wont be needeing it. infact i only need one deck too.

1 technics 1210mk2 and a djm600 for sale.

offers around £500 please

[jon connor]

i use all 3 .

decks awsome why ? you can be more agressive and more or less beat the crap outta your dance floor , love it always will.

cd j awsome agin for acuracy brilliant for effects tricks sampling etc but however you cant be agressive with them you have to treat them like a good women and be gentle and delicate ahhhh! bless.......

abelton great for perfoming your own music in a sort of semi live set anyone playing abelton with a set full of other peoples tracks dont waste my time pack your stuff and piss off outta this club.

there ya go all 3 are quality in there own way but all but 1 have a down side , which leaves me with my answer decks will always rule . but technology moves on and some of us have to bite our bottom tongue and get on with it aye!

[dirty_bass]

:lol:

right..from now on we have tune after tune with a pause between each one.

Works for Jah Shaka, and his parties homp n hump more than any techno bash I`ve been to.

[massplanck]

Betamax video is da Phuture.

[Mindful]

with remote controlls with wires

[Aratron]

i much prefer vinyl.
i hate cds and mps totally soulless and the quality of music is shit.
i also hate ableton - computer controlled djing or what eva - i think that will just destroy the scene.
i think the technology companies should make soem records players which are just brilliant but not as heavy so they can be made more portable - or maybe im just stuck in the past.

[dirty_bass]

Hang on, ableton is destroying the scene.
I thought it was minimal this week?
Oh hang on, no, I think this week it`s fergies job to destroy the scene.

[crime]

Hang on, ableton is destroying the scene.
I thought it was minimal this week?
Oh hang on, no, I think this week it`s fergies job to destroy the scene.

I think it's dumb arguments on internet forums that's killing the scene, such as whether you're going to use a hoover or a dyson to clean the floor.. Mop vs Vileda supermop anyone? Cafetiere vs Perculator? Ford vs Vauxhall? or we could go for my old favourite, Amstrad vs Bush.... :s

[dirty_bass]

I think it's dumb arguments on internet forums that's killing the scene, such as whether you're going to use a hoover or a dyson to clean the floor.. Mop vs Vileda supermop anyone? Cafetiere vs Perculator? Ford vs Vauxhall? or we could go for my old favourite, Amstrad vs Bush.... :s

It all amounts to

What is better
Climp or Clomp?

"My opinion is better"
"Actually, my opinion is better"

[rhythmtech]

i much prefer vinyl.
i hate cds and mps totally soulless and the quality of music is shit.
i also hate ableton - computer controlled djing or what eva - i think that will just destroy the scene.
i think the technology companies should make soem records players which are just brilliant but not as heavy so they can be made more portable - or maybe im just stuck in the past.

yup... well stuck in the past :lol: