**format wars** vinyl ? mp3 ? cd ? turntables ? ableton ?

[Jay Pace]

Please also add to the list Richie Hawtin, British Murder Boys & Paul Mac

Ableton is just another tool - formidable in the right hands, useless in the wrong ones.

The scene is built on more than round, flat bits of plastic.

[djshiva]

it's always SOMETHING killing scene, and yet...it still keeps going...

fancy that! ;)

[nihilist]

dean rodell uses ableton live allso

dirty bass wrote,,
Bad management of the crossovers and eq, terrible standrdised limiting and DJ`s who just crank it into the red.

too true matey

[Roxy Trip]

just one last thought for any of you that think ableton users are killing the scene.

myself
atrickDSP
davethedrummer
DDR
dirtybass
lowtek
jenson
zoid
distek

^^ this is a list of ableton users off the top of my head. i've been working my ass of for the techno scene, be it promotion, engineering or gigging for the last 11 years and some of the above have been doing it even longer!

is anyone gonna say that we're killing a scene we give so much to?

not killing the scene i dont think. bringing something new to it maybe. but you cant expect everyone to jump up and down and embrace ableton as the new dj tool. when alot people like myself , like to see people on decks in the clubs and parties.
though i have heard some good sets on ableton and ive got used to it a bit more in last couple of months i guess

[Jay Pace]

Ableton acceptance process:

Shock
Horror
Hatred
Grudging acceptance
Neutrality
Advocacy

You think people sang the praises of playing two turntables together AT THE SAME TIME to start with? People need time to adjust.

[TechMouse]

Further to the Ableton discussion: More sterling work from my good friend Gaz

[module]

i used to be hardcore vinyl & hardware..

then i thought 'why?' and played with software..

i moved on. as should 'techno' and all those who propose to support it. its, after all, a shortening of the word 'technology' which is about advancement.

never bought an MP3. prob never will. with Ableton, i can now play MY SHIT all the time & no longer pass out £6 or £8 for someone elses work :)

i still love 1210s & vinyl, but what i can do with Ableton alone is amkin me push forward. and THATS what its about imo

[module]

as for 'MP3 shit quality' as DB says, check the pa's of most clubs.. average at best.

ive seen some 'professional' djs ram mixers into the red, push the compressor too far, then pull me about 'that shit pa you made me play on' i mean, ffs, dont u know red is generally a bad sign ?

and i use WAV every time. i dont have a lappy, but given what i used to take out for hardware live sets, a pc is a doddle.

the whole argument is pointless imo. whats more important ? the means or the end ?

[nihilist]

good points there module the end is the most important by far as for the red issue red allways means DANGER

[Jay Pace]

I'll run a pioneer 600 at 3 red bars (4db) because it drives the a little signal and makes it sound punchy.
No more than that though...

[Xavi]

nothing beats the vinyl .. IMO .. but that doesnt mean i dont use CD-j or ableton , just new ways to enhance u'r performance if u ask me .. i wouldnt exclude vinyl in any case ..
+vinyl is the only medium where u can ACTUALY touch the sound ,,, and most reliable ..

[Corinthiano]

if labels sell all their trakcs in mp3 format, i think vynil may die...
For now, there´s only a few good tracks available on mp3. The best tracks are still on vynil, so plastic still survive.

[Xavi]

For now, there´s only a few good tracks available on mp3.

yeah.. LEGALY

[rhythmtech]

not true.. theres loadsa good stuff available legally.. just a case of finding it.

[loopdon]

not true.. theres loadsa good stuff available legally.. just a case of finding it.

yep. if you scout around different forums and i would want to add

http://vivaliebtdichnicht.de/

head over to 'mytracks' and check what's on offer. then if you like sth. you could always pm the producer and ask if it's ok to play stuff out.

rob acid posts there as well and when it comes to quality techno then that's a place you shouldn't miss out on, imo. not to mention boa's production forums...

if that ain't as exclusive as a 500 copy whitelable i dunno :)

[the_psychologist]

I know psytrance isn't well liked here, but this guy made a video that details his Live techniques. it's a pretty interesting watch. when used well, a tiny laptop rig running Live allows for possibilities that no deck can touch. most people don't go nearly this far, however.

http://www.dailymotion.com/cosm/vide...ectronic-music

[Scott Kemix]

never bought an MP3. prob never will. with Ableton, i can now play MY SHIT all the time & no longer pass out £6 or £8 for someone elses work

but people wont necesarilly book you for your music, unless they like it, thats where a crowd maybe want to hear a variety of music and not just your sound all night. This is i think where vinyl comes into play. But if they dont incorporate vinyl then they will just mix it in ableton, not much skill involved there at all or on a cdj. Support the vinyl!

[Scott Kemix]

the majority of people i have seen use ableton, use it just to mix tracks anyway. There is no creativity there. To me this is not live.

[Delinquent Dialect]

the majority of people i have seen use ableton, use it just to mix tracks anyway. There is no creativity there. To me this is not live.

check out our live set, I posted on the forum someplace...anyway..we combince 3 laptops, plus outboard gear, old school effects, compressors, 808, machinedrum, sometimes the odd 101 or 303

and no we dont 'just hit play' lol and yes there are mistakes and no its not perfect, because we allow chaos to happen.

I have a pet peave about guys who use ableton and just mix their already mastered finished products...thats fuking gay, instead i like to treat it like a studio session, a jam...but with the knowledge that there are people listening so you've got to make it interesting.

[rhythmtech]

I have a pet peave about guys who use ableton and just mix their already mastered finished products...thats fuking gay, instead i like to treat it like a studio session, a jam...but with the knowledge that there are people listening so you've got to make it interesting.

y?i think its showing a lot of courage to play your own stuff out.. its not always easy to do.

also not everyone has the knowledge to do a live set.. its a complicated thing and takes a lot of time. i know from my own experience that its not just a case of throwing loops from your trax into ableton.. i've been working on mine a long time now and i still play full tracks along side it as im not 100% happy with it yet.