**format wars** vinyl ? mp3 ? cd ? turntables ? ableton ?

[module]

this came to me a while back..

see all the 'MP3 is crap.. you can tell with the frequency blah blah...' well, in all the time i played records, not one person ever bitched about the crappy cheap detroit pressings i used to play.. the badly cut Trax records made from recycled vinyl.. never had a punter mention it..

yet everyone has been up in arms bout the quality of digital media... 'thats a laptop.. i can tell the difference..'

aye right ;)

[RDR]

this came to me a while back..

see all the 'MP3 is crap.. you can tell with the frequency blah blah...' well, in all the time i played records, not one person ever bitched about the crappy cheap detroit pressings i used to play.. the badly cut Trax records made from recycled vinyl.. never had a punter mention it..

yet everyone has been up in arms bout the quality of digital media... 'thats a laptop.. i can tell the difference..'

aye right ;)

Bang on.

[dirty_bass]

Is there even an issue any more?
Dave Clark made some comment about this in a recent interview that was surprisingly astute.

[Aratron]

all i can say is that i can definitely see the difference between a mix recorded from vinyl and one from using some computer program.

your only fooling yourselves.

[dan the acid man]

all i can say is that i can definitely see the difference between a mix recorded from vinyl and one from using some computer program.

your only fooling yourselves.

that might be more to do with how the set was recorded and what file type the mix is compressed to.

Evrytime i've seen an ableton set at a party or a club, the sound quality is better.

anyway, this belongs in the debate at the top, i'll move it

[Aratron]

that might be more to do with how the set was recorded and what file type the mix is compressed to.

Evrytime i've seen an ableton set at a party or a club, the sound quality is better.

anyway, this belongs in the debate at the top, i'll move it

i have heard one decent ableton set and that was by oldbugger at creative culture last christmas
i was full of flu and it still knocked my socks off.

[dirty_bass]

Whenever I play PA`s people are always surprised by the clarity, and the presence, as well as the bass.

But then I have a larger frequency range to play with over vinyls restrictions.
And I`m not having to deal with all the top end distortion and....
blah blah

vinyl is a medium we got used to, and it had many restrictions, but we coped because it was easy to handle.

Most vinyl comes from DAT masters anyway, so it was digital at some stage.
Do we even need to be talking about this in the foul year of our lord 2007?

I thought everyone had all growed up now.

[Little_Fella!]

Two Thousand and bloody Seven!!

Where the hell is Judge Dredd, ABC Warriors et al.... eh!!?

The world needs an Excession to kick its bleedin' scientific arse into gear...

Come on, hurry up, I'm not getting any younger here!!:briggin:

[the_psychologist]

The debate rages on all fronts... Still.

I'm another former vinyl addict who used 1200s for 7 years or so, then figured out that I could buy a little iBook, soundcard, and Traktor and things got way easier. I could just plug into the house mixer and manually beatmatch, EQ, chop, etc..

But that got boring, and it came time to evolve. Now I'm in the midst of learning Live and it has already given me the nudge I needed to start producing tunes. It's slow going right now, but every night I crack some new technique that ups the game.

I wonder if hardcore vinyl DJs consider the fact that NOT learning Live is actually holding them and the scene back? The transition from Live DJ to Live producer to Live live act is seamless, and it can only help bring new music into the world.

For the acid fans, try out Audiorealism Bassline 2. Run that thing through a saturator, distortion, reverb, etc. and listen to it wail. I know I wouldn't be trying my hand at Acid if I had to buy a 303. Too expensive and complex for me.

It does hurt, though. I have a heap of really good vinyl that I'm still selling, and it's slow going. I'm of the mind to mark everything down to $10 each and just sell what I can.

Times move on, and we can only choose to keep up with them or fall behind. It's too bad more labels didn't see the MP3 wave coming. The writing had been on the wall for ages.

[TripleB]

haha i got one for ya:)

i love records so much and i dont want them to fade away 4 eva:)
and i dont think a lot of you do to!
about 3/4yr ago i got the chance to mix on cd decks i was wel buzZin coz i cud mix a tune iv made at home and bang it out to the ppl in the clubs. all good
i did think thay was made just 4 ppl like me to have that chance and mix ya unreleased tunes out there. it was ace:)

now im gutted records r goin out coz the feal of them and the buzZ you get from mixin records is ace!
cd decks 4 me r 2 ezy to beat match and has took the fun out of beat matching / the hole mixin thing. - do u no what i meen?

love live tho:) only when its your music you make, not in to ppl that buy mp3s then say thay r mixin live but its all matched 4 them on ableton! thats shit:)

Times r moving on, so y not have all things out there:)

hehe - keep records - thats what i say:)

[T]

Well I don't think it's one format over and above an other, they all have their place! I like to see a dj tear and it up with vinyl, but adding final scratch or cd's adds versatility eg you play yer own trax etc, but a live set / ableton gives new possibilities for sound manipulation.

Also, mp3's are great for the net, vinyl releases often add an artistic element to a release with the artwork etc....and then there's the subtle differences in sound of the various formats.

The more formats available the better!

[RDR]

The more available formats the better?

Not for the manufacturers thats for sure, for us? Im not so sure either. I love vinyl and i always have - i may not in the future though.

Here is a little report on DRM that has SOME bearing in all of this.

http://weblogs.jupiterresearch.com/a...in_the_dr.html

Jupiter research are a MAJOR player when it comes to industry analysis BTW.

[snooch]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5dCMz4gKLI

[RDR]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5dCMz4gKLI

What a wanker.

[DannyBlack]

im buggered now!

[DannyBlack]

im not an ableton user myself, tell the truth i had my first real go this weekend, twas a giggle. i think, fair f**ks to anyone that takes a technologie and makes it their own. no one thing is better than the other, its about the artist that uses it.

[TechMouse]

im not an ableton user myself, tell the truth i had my first real go this weekend, twas a giggle. i think, fair f**ks to anyone that takes a technologie and makes it their own. no one thing is better than the other, its about the artist that uses it.

Hoo-fucking-ray. Got there in the end. Kudos to Danny.

Can we close this thread now?

[RDR]

Hoo-fucking-ray. Got there in the end. Kudos to Danny.

Can we close this thread now?

no. silly moderator :mrmyagi:

[DannyBlack]

no. silly moderator :mrmyagi:

i know what you're upto, trying to get the last word innit. so stop it!

[lunatrick]

personally I'm going mac book pro and serrato scratch - cos I live in OZ now and just can't get the vinyl I want.....I still want the randomness of mixing records but I need to be able to download tunes......does anybody know what is the best final scratch type software around now?