**format wars** vinyl ? mp3 ? cd ? turntables ? ableton ?

[dirty_bass]

yes mate, it`s about time you stopped using them 8 bit samples and got with the prgram

[dirty_bass]

Don't get me wrong, I agree with your opinions on production standards but I think perfect sound quality belongs in the studio, and good quality compromise belongs on a rig.

And there lies the problem.
Shit club soundsystems run by idiots and limited to ****.
I`ve been in the sound system game for ages, and it`s depressing that a statement like that has to be.
We are talking about sound, and it`s not hard to have a average soundsystem sounding sweet, but a lot of the time it breaks down as soon as the rig is turned on.
Bad management of the corssovers and eq, terrible standrdised limiting and DJ`s who just crank it into the red.
why compromise?

[Aratron]

to rhythmtech. sorry for being rude. if you have yourself an mps/ableton set i could listen too , maybe i could have a more infromed opinion?

[rhythmtech]

just workin on a new promo at the moment. i'll pm you a megaupload link later tonight or tommorow if you want.

[Aratron]

just workin on a new promo at the moment. i'll pm you a megaupload link later tonight or tommorow if you want.

nice one. i need good music dudes

[rhythmtech]

just one last thought for any of you that think ableton users are killing the scene.

myself
atrickDSP
davethedrummer
DDR
dirtybass
lowtek
jenson
zoid
distek

^^ this is a list of ableton users off the top of my head. i've been working my ass of for the techno scene, be it promotion, engineering or gigging for the last 11 years and some of the above have been doing it even longer!

is anyone gonna say that we're killing a scene we give so much to?

[Jay Pace]

Please also add to the list Richie Hawtin, British Murder Boys & Paul Mac

Ableton is just another tool - formidable in the right hands, useless in the wrong ones.

The scene is built on more than round, flat bits of plastic.

[djshiva]

it's always SOMETHING killing scene, and yet...it still keeps going...

fancy that! ;)

[nihilist]

dean rodell uses ableton live allso

dirty bass wrote,,
Bad management of the crossovers and eq, terrible standrdised limiting and DJ`s who just crank it into the red.

too true matey

[Roxy Trip]

just one last thought for any of you that think ableton users are killing the scene.

myself
atrickDSP
davethedrummer
DDR
dirtybass
lowtek
jenson
zoid
distek

^^ this is a list of ableton users off the top of my head. i've been working my ass of for the techno scene, be it promotion, engineering or gigging for the last 11 years and some of the above have been doing it even longer!

is anyone gonna say that we're killing a scene we give so much to?

not killing the scene i dont think. bringing something new to it maybe. but you cant expect everyone to jump up and down and embrace ableton as the new dj tool. when alot people like myself , like to see people on decks in the clubs and parties.
though i have heard some good sets on ableton and ive got used to it a bit more in last couple of months i guess

[Jay Pace]

Ableton acceptance process:

Shock
Horror
Hatred
Grudging acceptance
Neutrality
Advocacy

You think people sang the praises of playing two turntables together AT THE SAME TIME to start with? People need time to adjust.

[TechMouse]

Further to the Ableton discussion: More sterling work from my good friend Gaz

[module]

i used to be hardcore vinyl & hardware..

then i thought 'why?' and played with software..

i moved on. as should 'techno' and all those who propose to support it. its, after all, a shortening of the word 'technology' which is about advancement.

never bought an MP3. prob never will. with Ableton, i can now play MY SHIT all the time & no longer pass out £6 or £8 for someone elses work :)

i still love 1210s & vinyl, but what i can do with Ableton alone is amkin me push forward. and THATS what its about imo

[module]

as for 'MP3 shit quality' as DB says, check the pa's of most clubs.. average at best.

ive seen some 'professional' djs ram mixers into the red, push the compressor too far, then pull me about 'that shit pa you made me play on' i mean, ffs, dont u know red is generally a bad sign ?

and i use WAV every time. i dont have a lappy, but given what i used to take out for hardware live sets, a pc is a doddle.

the whole argument is pointless imo. whats more important ? the means or the end ?

[nihilist]

good points there module the end is the most important by far as for the red issue red allways means DANGER

[Jay Pace]

I'll run a pioneer 600 at 3 red bars (4db) because it drives the a little signal and makes it sound punchy.
No more than that though...

[Xavi]

nothing beats the vinyl .. IMO .. but that doesnt mean i dont use CD-j or ableton , just new ways to enhance u'r performance if u ask me .. i wouldnt exclude vinyl in any case ..
+vinyl is the only medium where u can ACTUALY touch the sound ,,, and most reliable ..

[Corinthiano]

if labels sell all their trakcs in mp3 format, i think vynil may die...
For now, there´s only a few good tracks available on mp3. The best tracks are still on vynil, so plastic still survive.

[Xavi]

For now, there´s only a few good tracks available on mp3.

yeah.. LEGALY

[rhythmtech]

not true.. theres loadsa good stuff available legally.. just a case of finding it.