**format wars** vinyl ? mp3 ? cd ? turntables ? ableton ?

[Scott Kemix]

never bought an MP3. prob never will. with Ableton, i can now play MY SHIT all the time & no longer pass out £6 or £8 for someone elses work

but people wont necesarilly book you for your music, unless they like it, thats where a crowd maybe want to hear a variety of music and not just your sound all night. This is i think where vinyl comes into play. But if they dont incorporate vinyl then they will just mix it in ableton, not much skill involved there at all or on a cdj. Support the vinyl!

[Scott Kemix]

the majority of people i have seen use ableton, use it just to mix tracks anyway. There is no creativity there. To me this is not live.

[Jay Pace]

There is something a little clinical about ableton....

But I saw BMB on it a while back, and they were pulling off stuff you couldn't hope to achieve using vinyl. Dubstep over techno with loops and moving into old school LFO tracks etc etc.

If you are using ableton to do dull A-B-A-B stuff its pretty dull, but then you are hardly pushing it. If you do push it you can get incredible results.

[rhythmtech]

but whats the point in doing it fully live scott? as you already said people wanna hear differant music. they wanna hear the big tunes! thats what gets them going. the perfect ableton set for me is one that incorporates elements of a live set and a dj set. i've (finally) got mine together where i play my own tracks live and throw in other peoples tracks aswell.. and to be honest scott, theres just as much skill involved in using ableton as there is using vinyl, you just gotta luck at it from a differant perspective. i personally find vinyl too easy and not enough of a challange, but thats just a personal thing.

[Scott Kemix]

There is something a little clinical about ableton....

But I saw BMB on it a while back, and they were pulling off stuff you couldn't hope to achieve using vinyl. Dubstep over techno with loops and moving into old school LFO tracks etc etc.

If you are using ableton to do dull A-B-A-B stuff its pretty dull, but then you are hardly pushing it. If you do push it you can get incredible results.

totally agree there, i have seen some good sets with ableton, but lately seen alot of crap, mixing tracks etc. One thing, i dont under estimate ableton capabilities one bit

[Scott Kemix]

but whats the point in doing it fully live scott? as you already said people wanna hear differant music. they wanna hear the big tunes! thats what gets them going. the perfect ableton set for me is one that incorporates elements of a live set and a dj set. i've (finally) got mine together where i play my own tracks live and throw in other peoples tracks aswell.. and to be honest scott, theres just as much skill involved in using ableton as there is using vinyl, you just gotta luck at it from a differant perspective. i personally find vinyl too easy and not enough of a challange, but thats just a personal thing.

not a prob i see where u are coming from, the thing is you can simply sync a track in ableton with no probs at all, as opposed to mixing 2 records you dont get this. It would just be great to see people using ableton to its full capabilities

[rhythmtech]

[quote="Scott Kemix"]

It would just be great to see people using ableton to its full capabilities

totally agree there, but the way i see it, and i've stated already, there are lazy sets everywhere - vinyl, tracktor, ableton - everywhere.

i just think some people are attacking a great piece of software (not you scott) rather than the people that are goin about it the lazy way.

[Scott Kemix]

i am just used to seeing live sets in the past, using hardware mostly, people having to push themselves by constantly moving around tweeking everything in sight. As an artists i think this showed skill, timing, expression etc. I dont see to see this anymore

[Scott Kemix]

[quote="rhythmtech"]

It would just be great to see people using ableton to its full capabilities

totally agree there, but the way i see it, and i've stated already, there are lazy sets everywhere - vinyl, tracktor, ableton - everywhere.

i just think some people are attacking a great piece of software (not you scott) rather than the people that are goin about it the lazy way.

ye man hit the nail on the head there!

[djshiva]

i gotta add that, having done several ableton sets (dubstep mostly) in the last month, the nice thing is that i am approaching my vinyl in an entirely new way. if it spurs creativity, then i am down with it. it really alters the way you look at records and how you can use them...

[djfilthmonger]

I prefree the old ones and twos. the manually approach. but then again i would always be up to learn ableton.
funnly enuff i seen dave the drummer up in dublin back in jan. he was meant to do a liveset. he started with turntables and then started to move on to the live equip. after a short while he just pulled down the laptop moniter and went back to the turntables and absolutly belted out...
I suppose a dj r producer just use what there comfortable with. . records are still be used even do tapes came then cds,mp3s and so on.

[djfilthmonger]

just to add its not really which is better to use but what the end result is. How u use it .how adapt.. .

[rhythmtech]

I prefree the old ones and twos. the manually approach. but then again i would always be up to learn ableton.
funnly enuff i seen dave the drummer up in dublin back in jan. he was meant to do a liveset. he started with turntables and then started to move on to the live equip. after a short while he just pulled down the laptop moniter and went back to the turntables and absolutly belted out...
I suppose a dj r producer just use what there comfortable with. . records are still be used even do tapes came then cds,mp3s and so on.

that was due to technical problems he was having. we booked him for a liveset but unfortunatly there was a hiccup with the soundcard he was using.

[Fusion]

i will stick with vinyl as long as possible

even if i have to ride my bicyle across the pond with floaters attached

i agree that if i were to switch it would be too mp3 and a laptop

i just have a hard time with the "virtual song"

i can't get past the element of the physical "thing"

[crime]

Hang on, ableton is destroying the scene.
I thought it was minimal this week?
Oh hang on, no, I think this week it`s fergies job to destroy the scene.

I think it's dumb arguments on internet forums that's killing the scene, such as whether you're going to use a hoover or a dyson to clean the floor.. Mop vs Vileda supermop anyone? Cafetiere vs Perculator? Ford vs Vauxhall? or we could go for my old favourite, Amstrad vs Bush.... :s

[Miromiric]

i will stick with vinyl as long as possible

even if i have to ride my bicyle across the pond with floaters attached

i agree that if i were to switch it would be too mp3 and a laptop

i just have a hard time with the "virtual song"

i can't get past the element of the physical "thing"

funilly enough, those "physical "thangs"" were "virtual songs" one step earlier.

[Komplex]

as long as there are titties it doesnt really matter now does it?

[jk_scowling]

I think i'll keep buying vinyl as long as I can get the records I want on that format. Having said that , I did my first live set on ableton recently and really enjoyed using that. Not sure I'd use it for djing myself though, maybe because I can't be arsed to copy all my vinyl onto my computer... boring.

[djvitamind]

Yeah...I never thought I would make the switch...but I did...a couple years ago.

Actually I sold my turntables almost 10 years ago...I was djing so much back then the last thing I wanted to do when I got home was play records. I am starting to sell my vinyl here and there...more so cause I am sick of moving 10,000 records when I move.

There is a huge convenient factor for me. I mean being able to download a track from your hotel room right before You are about to play...well thats kinda nice.

I have had my laptop crap out on me a couple times...and that sucks...plus have heard djs play and all of a sudden there is no sound...let me tell you that is the longest rebooting time you will ever have to wait for.

Prices for releases are so cheap...almost too cheap.

As a record label owner...there are good and bad points. Vinyl is slowing down so bad. I have stopped all vinyl productions for Colorecordings. Watts filed for bankruptcy here in the US. They owed labels is excess of $150,000. That will hurt any independent label.

iTunes I think set the standard price. .99 is too low...its tough to turn over a profit unless you are selling a shit load of releases.

One thing the digital age is lacking is the whole feeling of holding it in your hands. The last releases I have signed have been digital only...and it just isnt as cool feeling. Sure you release is everywhere...but its not the same when you cant frame it up and put it on your wall.

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[rhythmtech]

but its not the same when you cant frame it up and put it on your wall.

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as much as im 100% digital these days.. ^^this statement is very very true and i hope that all my future releases will be available in both formats.