**format wars** vinyl ? mp3 ? cd ? turntables ? ableton ?

[RDR]

Serato is the best.

Made more for turntablists than final scratch etc but it depends if that's what you're after I guess.

It's also by far the tightest and I've never had a crash - seen people nosedive on final scratch though.

Buy it.

Aye, its great for low speed motion.. FS falls on its arse when scratching compared to serato.

[Microdot]

does anyone have any concrete figures on the sale of vinyl etc, or anything concrete to suggest mp3 will take over vinyl...

i know it would be hard to nail down evidence like that but mabey someone here has some deeper insight into sales etc..???

I know people are gona say "stop worrying" just enjoy your vinyl etc, but id like to quench some fears :paranoid:

vinyl sales have dropped over 50% in the last 3 years or so.

[RDR]

Check out this from Gerd Leonhard

http://www.futureofmusicbook.com/mus...ing/index.html

its a big read, but well worth it. I dont guarantee you'll agree with it, but this is a speech he made at the recent AIM conference.

Keeping my eye on the ball here :;

[RDR]

vinyl sales have dropped over 50% in the last 3 years or so.

I think you need to qualify that a bit more jon. Do you mean Dance Vinyl sales?

From the BPI's site. It doesnt say about genre but clearly its about something other than techno... playing out with 7" records? ive done it, but it wasnt much fun. lol

Label support for physical singles

Sales of CD singles fell, but there was a further revival in seven inch vinyl; annual sales have increased from just over 200,000 units in 2000, to more than 1m units in 2006. 7” vinyl sales were up by 12.9% in the first half, with the White Stripes' Icky Thump the best seller.

[Microdot]

I think you need to qualify that a bit more jon. Do you mean Dance Vinyl sales?

From the BPI's site. It doesnt say about genre but clearly its about something other than techno... playing out with 7" records? ive done it, but it wasnt much fun. lol

sorry.
I meant House, Techno, Electro and Hip Hop vinyl sales have dropped by at least 50% over the last 3 or 4 years.
couldn't really say about the other genres, don't really know any producers who do DnB, Hardhouse etc

I've mixed with 7" singles before, not much fun and the sound quality is usually shite too.
nowdays I don't use vinyl at all.
for no other reason than I like to pick fights with arrogant cocks who shoot off at the mouth but don't know what the fcuk they're talking about (as tocsin can no doubt confirm). i.e. vinyl purists.

[rhythmtech]

for no other reason than I like to pick fights with arrogant cocks who shoot off at the mouth but don't know what the fcuk they're talking about

:lol: :lol: :lol: nice one jon!

[josephjobling]

well i used to say vinal (bit of a purist) i love my 1210,s and my vinal collection - they are a 90's icon and until 6 months ago i would have beaten any one up who said anything was better than vinal. however i have discovered djing on ableton with wav file from beatport. apart from the fact that the waves seem to have the tops cut off (damn limiters) it has freed me up to do so much more in the way of creative mixing.
so in short vinal is way cooler ableton free's me up to be more creative - i think the croud would prefer the latter x

[Darkmode]

At the end of the day it dosen't matter what format you use as long as the tunes you are playing are good!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!

[josephjobling]

very true darkmode very true. good mixing doesn't hurt either

[rhythmtech]

apart from the fact that the waves seem to have the tops cut off (damn limiters) it has freed me up to do so much more in the way of creative mixing.
so in short vinal is way cooler ableton free's me up to be more creative - i think the croud would prefer the latter x

they're exactly the same waves that are used to make the vinyl release.

[Microdot]

vinyl purists are full of shit.

[massplanck]

vinyl purists are full of shit.

Why? Theres no such thing as a vinyl purist, just people with a preference. Some folks just like the fact that you can touch, smell, see & hear the product. 4 senses involved for me.

I stopped buying records for ages there. Pricked around with mp3s in abelton etc but didnt enjoy it. Now im back buying again. Not a purist but I just love it. Nowt wrong with digital mixing & creativity but there is room for both. Thats why serato is great (but i dont own it or use it)

"Somebody was trying to tell me that CDs are better than vinyl because they don't have any surface noise. I said, "Listen, mate, life has surface noise."

John Peel

[Microdot]

anyone who thinks format is more important than music is basically wrong.

[TechMouse]

"Somebody was trying to tell me that CDs are better than vinyl because they don't have any surface noise. I said, "Listen, mate, life has surface noise."

John Peel

Life has lots of things that I wouldn't like on my records.

Poo for example.

[massplanck]

anyone who thinks format is more important than music is basically wrong.

Thats true. But they do sound different.. not better or worse (unless its low q mp3). I just love the warmth of vinyl.. surely thats ok?

I have really bad tinnitus and digital usually has lots of highs which hurt my already ****ed ears.

[Sunil]

vinyl purists

How about vinyl lovers? That's what I am anyway.
I dunno, the vinyl purist thing makes any of us that support and play vinyl, sound like religious freaks or hardline vegans or something (no offence to either by the way).
For me I have had no reason to change - if it ain't broke, don't fix it etc.

anyone who thinks format is more important than music is basically wrong.

Well, that might be true of a miniscule proportion of people that buy music - and I don't think you would find many of them populating techno forums like BOA or the likes.

[rhythmtech]

vinyl lovers are not a problem. nothing wrong with loving something so beautiful.

vinyl purists on the other hand...

[Microdot]

vinyl lovers are not a problem. nothing wrong with loving something so beautiful.

vinyl purists on the other hand...

word.

anyone who tries to tell other people how to play or perform their music is basically a dick. same as anyone who tags the word "cheating" to anything to do with music.

about 20 years or so ago, a brand new type of music no one had ever heard before came along that most people referred to as "acid house".
there were alot of dicks back then that said that house producers were cheating cause they didn't know how to play an instrument but could still make a record.
times change, people don't.

[Sunil]

word.

anyone who tries to tell other people how to play or perform their music is basically a dick.

I don't fully agree.
If I see someone play off Ableton and it's not half as good as that person when they were playing decks, why shouldn't I be honest and tell them the vinyl sets were better?

[rhythmtech]

I don't fully agree.
If I see someone play off Ableton and it's not half as good as that person when they were playing decks, why shouldn't I be honest and tell them the vinyl sets were better?

but thats not the same thing at all. thats just giving your opinion on their perticular sets..

same goes the opposite way - if someones digital sets are better than their vinyl then say it to them..

but its a world of differance telling someone that what they play isnt valid because of the format.