**format wars** vinyl ? mp3 ? cd ? turntables ? ableton ?

[davethedrummer]

seriously???

i've got an old simmons kit and i always fancied the idea of triggering loops from it through an alesis d4!

nice try
no cigar

[davethedrummer]

the first dj robot arms are already in development.
in the near future we can play with 4 arms, just by using a brain sensor for extra control.

but by the time that happens
we'll all be plugging our heads directly into our sequencers anyway.

[force]

nice try
no cigar

I was serious!! :mrmyagi:

[katya]

i am just used to seeing live sets in the past, using hardware mostly, people having to push themselves by constantly moving around tweeking everything in sight. As an artists i think this showed skill, timing, expression etc. I dont see to see this anymore

Yes! I always think that - cannot witness the technical artistry anymore... although... I do have ableton (like most on this board, i'm sure) - so, am willingly contradicting myself.

[tonyc2002]

sonic art... pressure pads, d-beams, 1.21 gigawatts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

....or probaly more realistically traktor and final scratch for me personally :cheese: altho ime still thinking maybe vj-ing is gonna take more of a prominent role in the future.

media jockeys anybody?

[...Dave...]

sonic art... pressure pads, d-beams, 1.21 gigawatts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

....or probaly more realistically traktor and final scratch for me personally :cheese: altho ime still thinking maybe vj-ing is gonna take more of a prominent role in the future.

media jockeys anybody?

its called ableton live 6

[tonyc2002]

its called ableton live 6

i love ableton, i truly do but version 6's video facilities are quite limited at the moment. if they intergrated visual effects like the stuff in final cut, or motion that could be syncd up rythmically to the audio then that would be something special....

still, early days init!

[JimmySomerville]

For the final scratch users.....


Is it possible using v1.6 or v1.5.... or indeed FS 2 to sync it with ableton? To allow you to drop loops over the top of tracks?

It would be easy to play the full lot in ableton but we're looking to do something with 2 decks and ableton running loops over the top.

[TechMouse]

For the final scratch users.....


Is it possible using v1.6 or v1.5.... or indeed FS 2 to sync it with ableton? To allow you to drop loops over the top of tracks?

It would be easy to play the full lot in ableton but we're looking to do something with 2 decks and ableton running loops over the top.

Erm...

If you're using Final Scratch (on decks) how the hell do you expect it to sync itself?

You can just run both through a mixer and beatmatch by ear, but unless you have some kind of mechanical interface between Ableton and the pitch slider on your decks (insane but conceivable) there's not much point in attempting to connect the two.

[christian wagner]

I prefere Vinyl, but i love using my laptop and ableton with a controller, dont like CD's, as convenient as they are, there not reliable. plus CD decks are now made with loads of pointless features.

[loopdon]

For the final scratch users.....


Is it possible using v1.6 or v1.5.... or indeed FS 2 to sync it with ableton? To allow you to drop loops over the top of tracks?

It would be easy to play the full lot in ableton but we're looking to do something with 2 decks and ableton running loops over the top.

Some stuff in that direction can be done via the Ms Pinky Vinyls.



"Ms Pinky therefore provides a VST/AudioUnit/RTAS plugin version of her vinyl-controlled audio file player/scratcher, which we call "Pinky Pluggo". This exciting little plugin allows users of VST, Audio Unit, and RTAS-compatible host programs running under both OSX and WinXP to seamlessly integrate Ms Pinky into their music production software sessions... for the purposes of studio recording, or for live performance."

Read it up here:

http://www.mspinky.com/WreckedSystem_Pluggo.html

[the_psychologist]

exactly! and one other thing, don't you hate all the music that's made with software these days. it all sounds so software. hardware or burst!:;

I always find this sort of response funny. It's basically, "The new stuff sounds different than the old stuff!".

It's just another sound to get used to. Plus, stuff done in Ableton will sound as good as just about anything if done right. It just opens the door for people who could never afford all the different gear and software. I mean, you could use human-played instrument samples for everything and it would sound more organic than a real 909, no? People who produce the entire track using software intruments are the ones you're on about. I mean shiiit, producers of "real" music constantly slag electronic music using your same argument.

Plus, software production is ever evolving, and I'm confident that it will get to the point where differences vs. will be strictly imagined. It'lll be like the whole WAV vs. 320 rate MP3 argument that has never reached any real conclusion. The oldschoolers will argue that they can hear the difference, while almost no one really can.

[T]

well call me a diplomat but all the formats have their place. Live performance is unique, and so is dj'ing.

For me, I think Dj'ing is particularly suited to techno/electronic music, as it really adds the human element to the music, manipulating tunes on the fly and hearing a dj present the tunes in their own way is always interesting.

Personally I love my vinyl collection but have laid off buying much for a couple of years now, it has become a pain to store if nothing else....so it's cd's and computer music for my everyday listening of tunes.

shouldn't be a format wars, formats should compliment each other and offer a variety of ways of playing your music....cd's, mp3's, vinyl....all have their advantages......so all formats can be used together rather than one format becoming defunct.

[jon connor]

i use all 3 .

decks awsome why ? you can be more agressive and more or less beat the crap outta your dance floor , love it always will.

cd j awsome agin for acuracy brilliant for effects tricks sampling etc but however you cant be agressive with them you have to treat them like a good women and be gentle and delicate ahhhh! bless.......

abelton great for perfoming your own music in a sort of semi live set anyone playing abelton with a set full of other peoples tracks dont waste my time pack your stuff and piss off outta this club.

there ya go all 3 are quality in there own way but all but 1 have a down side , which leaves me with my answer decks will always rule . but technology moves on and some of us have to bite our bottom tongue and get on with it aye!

[module]

this came to me a while back..

see all the 'MP3 is crap.. you can tell with the frequency blah blah...' well, in all the time i played records, not one person ever bitched about the crappy cheap detroit pressings i used to play.. the badly cut Trax records made from recycled vinyl.. never had a punter mention it..

yet everyone has been up in arms bout the quality of digital media... 'thats a laptop.. i can tell the difference..'

aye right ;)

[RDR]

this came to me a while back..

see all the 'MP3 is crap.. you can tell with the frequency blah blah...' well, in all the time i played records, not one person ever bitched about the crappy cheap detroit pressings i used to play.. the badly cut Trax records made from recycled vinyl.. never had a punter mention it..

yet everyone has been up in arms bout the quality of digital media... 'thats a laptop.. i can tell the difference..'

aye right ;)

Bang on.

[dirty_bass]

Is there even an issue any more?
Dave Clark made some comment about this in a recent interview that was surprisingly astute.

[Aratron]

all i can say is that i can definitely see the difference between a mix recorded from vinyl and one from using some computer program.

your only fooling yourselves.

[dan the acid man]

all i can say is that i can definitely see the difference between a mix recorded from vinyl and one from using some computer program.

your only fooling yourselves.

that might be more to do with how the set was recorded and what file type the mix is compressed to.

Evrytime i've seen an ableton set at a party or a club, the sound quality is better.

anyway, this belongs in the debate at the top, i'll move it

[Aratron]

that might be more to do with how the set was recorded and what file type the mix is compressed to.

Evrytime i've seen an ableton set at a party or a club, the sound quality is better.

anyway, this belongs in the debate at the top, i'll move it

i have heard one decent ableton set and that was by oldbugger at creative culture last christmas
i was full of flu and it still knocked my socks off.