final scratch load of old w*nk or touch of class

**davethedrummer** · 12-07-2003, 12:47 PM

final scratch sounds good in theory
but i don't like the download potential of it
nor do i like the idea of setting it up after the last dj
or having your laptop in a club
also i reckon you'd have to take a bg of tunes just in case anything goes wrong.
what's it actually like?
and i mean for us not for richie hawtin who has it all set up for him at the begginning of the night normally.

**Barely Human** · 12-07-2003, 01:27 PM

I think that this is one of the most inovative products i have seen in a long time! The potential of it is very good but there'res still a lot of factors agaist it. One thing is for sure, a vinyl wont crash half way through a mix!

**DJZeMig_L** · 12-07-2003, 02:47 PM

This is a really great new thing...

It really responds like a vinyl (unless u cue very fast)...

Know probs...

Crashes... apparently know will b worst cause it runs from windows.. b4 it ran totally indie. ... u'd start yer pc and u choose .. windows or fs...

if the neddle jumps a bit can b tricky...

U best have a seperate power plug with surge protector..

the setuping is a bitch :( .. this probably the worst problem with this system...

U cannot run more than 2 decks from 1 pc/ FS...

Downloading music is and will always b a prob... have u tryed a Pioneer cd1000 ... i had do a simple demo of 1 recently and was absolutly

...

Z

**lunatrick** · 13-07-2003, 11:34 PM

I've seen it used and thought it sounded ok, but for what you're doing i don't see the need the decks and the mixer thing at all. You can use something like traktor on a laptop with two stereo outputs and plug these into a normal mixer and bingo....you've got an mp3 system that you can get into the mix with, which would be easy to setup even half way through a night, plug them in and switch over to line.

i think final scratch is overhyped and overpriced, especially as software is so easy to 'evaluate' these days

I think using traktor or something similar would be a good way to do a live pa, without all the equipment and also you get the excitement of the mix, which live pa's often lack. I presume by download potential you mean people not paying for tunes, which is going to be a problem, but for showcasing your own stuff I think it would be a creative step ahead.

then again you coud just burn stuff to cdr and get a pioneer cd mixer...ho hum.

i though Dave Clarkes quote on final scratch was funny :-

"despite not enjoying carrying records along airport corridors I'm sure my discomfort pays off when people watch me using records other than a computer, let's face it, you don't get intrigued crowds staring at insurance salesman processing a quote, "ohh nice use of the return button!"
:lol:

**Barely Human** · 14-07-2003, 12:31 AM

Originally Posted by lunatrick

I've seen it used and thought it sounded ok, but for what you're doing i don't see the need the decks and the mixer thing at all. You can use something like traktor on a laptop with two stereo outputs and plug these into a normal mixer and bingo....you've got an mp3 system that you can get into the mix with, which would be easy to setup even half way through a night, plug them in and switch over to line.

This is all quite true, but to turntablists its a godsend. You can now make your own beats and breaks on your pc, and then beat juggle them to your hearts content. The fact that it gives you more control over your mixes, unlike traktor, means it will stand as good shot at evolving into somthing brilliant. But now NI have made a version of Traktor for the final scratch. But i agree, it is overpriced, for something that is no more than a gimicky mp3 player :?

**lunatrick** · 14-07-2003, 07:37 AM

Ok for turntablism I admit traktor wouldn't do the job, but for techno mixing where the eq's and crossfader are the main focus it would work. Also if your into the decks that much your just going to get dub plates cut, just to keep it real like! :lol:

talking of which whatever happened to vestax's vinyl cutter, don't hear much about that now?

**DJZeMig_L** · 14-07-2003, 11:43 AM

Lunatrick .. there is 1 slight mistake in what U r saying... the big thing about final scratch is not playing yer tracks from a computer ... BUT the fact that u play' em just like a record.. the way fs works is u get 3 time/tone coded vinil that tell the software exactly were the needle is and what pitch... man I use pitch riding technic while playing and was absolutly

when I saw how fast FS would keep up 2 all slight touches on the vinil ... even a small touch on the label would be transladed imediatly just like any ordinary vinil!!!! :)

Has 2 cracked software .. U could b right if this New FS traktor wasn't designed specifically 4 FS... also FS comes with a small sort of "USB SOUNDCARD".. this is were u plug the decks ... when using fs the audio for your tracks comes out of this box on a normal line output (1 4 each deck)...

That's why setting up is a bit** ... not that it's dificult but for the fact that U'd probably need 2 do a short stop and have easy access 2 the back of the mixer...

Z

**lunatrick** · 14-07-2003, 01:29 PM

not too sure about the new version of traktor. I admit that pushing and pulling the deck will be lost, but these aren't desirable effects anyway really, it's a lot better to adjust the pitch using only the pitch slider if you can (not always possible I know :lol: )

anyway my point was that if you want to be able to mix mp3 there are easier ways to do it. I accept that the hands on feel will be lost though, which would be step too far for some people.

**DJZeMig_L** · 14-07-2003, 02:21 PM

Damn' man U geting me all wrong here... :( :?

The BIG ADVANTAGE of FS is the hands on ... U play just like a regular vinil, u pitch up/ touch/ backspin/ scratch just like a regular record!!!

:P

The feeling stays..
U don't need 2 put yer trackz in mp3... u can play wav or aiff!!

Hope that makes clear what I meant 2 say... :)

**miromiric.** · 14-07-2003, 02:34 PM

yep yep its the same as u play regular vinyl.
when they solve freezing/no more then 2 decks shite it will rule the planet.

**lunatrick** · 14-07-2003, 03:09 PM

Ze Migl - sorry for confusion - I was agreeing with what you were saying - if the hands on is what you want then final scratch is what you need i.e for scratching etc. :lol:

**Francisco Scaramanga** · 14-07-2003, 03:49 PM

As I understood it, there was no freezing/crashing issue with FS. I had thought that it ran only on linux, and therefore eliminated Microsofts infamous blue screens and the like. I might be a bit dubious about using it on MS, but I know that linux is as near to uncrashble as you are going to get on a normal laptop. And having said that, I use windows on my laptop to play live with a program called PCDJ, and it's not crashed yet.

Also, as far as I know you can still use three decks, or 18 if you are so inclined, but final scratch will only work on two of them. But there is no reason why you can't plug in a third deck and use normal vinyls, in fact you can use normal vinyls on decks set up for final scratch.

**DJZeMig_L** · 14-07-2003, 04:21 PM

Xico U r absolutly right..<crashed R generally down 2 faulty/ unstable power lines ... We had 1 at the shop and never ever crashed!

But I have my questions now with it running inside Win! :( .. will C I guess... though if u r going 2 take it live ... I guess U r better off creating a new Particion with Win JUST 4 this use!!!

My rant is also only 2 decks... If I wanted 2 carry my crates I didn't need FS ... :P

Z

**ampassasinbirmingham** · 14-07-2003, 06:40 PM

good used as a tool but not as a whole set!!!!

**Philth** · 14-07-2003, 07:22 PM

what about the ipod that's coming out with pitch controls on it? personally, i think it looks really odd having this huge mixer next to these dinky ipod units. not too comfortable with the downloading implications as well... labels are struggling enough.

http://www.selekta.com/content/templ...7&zoneid=6

**DJZeMig_L** · 14-07-2003, 08:13 PM

The thing is loosing all the Vynil touch ... 4 that U can carry a couple of cds... it's a little bigger but still a CDJ 1000/ 800 has a very very nice handling!!

Z

**davethedrummer** · 14-07-2003, 10:11 PM

very interesting reading everyones replies
after playing live for years and being really used to having bits of gear go down samplers laptops crash etc etc i would be very reluctant to rely 100% on this ststem to get me through the night week after week
which means i'd have to bring records and enought records to play a whole set in case it doesn't even work from the start.
(i still take a bag of tunes when i play live just in case.)
so i reckon that it'll actually mean me carrying more stuff not less.

also laptops are not suitable for clubs (yet)
mouse pads and mice are tricky to use when every surface you put them on is vibrating ,drinks and fags and sweat (contrary to popular belief) do not enhance you p.c. or mac's performance
neither do clumsy people crashing into dj booths out of thier heads on whatever looking around in the dark for thier girlfriends coat.

what all these software people need to remember is that when you are gigging regulaly hardware is the one way to do it reliably.
dedicated units that do one thing and one thing only
what if they (final scratch) made a universal hardware unit that clubs could fit as part of the in house system so you just had to bring along a hard drive or something similar, plug in load up your set and away you go?

i reckon there is a future for fs but i still think it's a bit of pain in the ass for the avaerge club dj to carry and use.

basically my rule is that anything that encourages you to get behind the mixer mid-gig and start unplugging and replugging things is a bit poorly thought through

i don't think i'll be going for it
unless obviously i get some amazing cheapo deal on it.

**spiralx** · 14-07-2003, 10:38 PM

Hardware would be cool - if you can get one of those Archaos Jukebox things that holds 20 gigs of MP3s in the size of a Walkman I can't see that a dedicated Final Scratch style unit would have to be particularly huge... or expensive.

**DJAmok** · 15-07-2003, 01:28 AM

to be honest... with all the crashes and bugs, the delay and the fact that you have to bring a laptop along every time you play it ain´t really worth the trouble of setting it up. Two Pioneer CDJ-1000 will beat FS anytime.

**DJZeMig_L** · 15-07-2003, 03:29 AM

Amok ... i will have 2 disagree (sorry

)... I would take the vinyl feel over the cd anytime.. though I will agree that the cdj1000 r brilliant, still crazy enougth the 800 have a faster response, the looping possibility is

.. I guess I could b biased as I have depended on technics 4 over 15 years now so .... Also U talk about delay, what version have u tryed? what was yer machine?

I probably am sounding really excited with this FS thingy.. but I was very very doubtfull till I actually tryed 1!!!... So all I can say is go try it (if u haven't already) and then let Us know!!

Still Dave brought up a really important issue, heavy clubb atmosphere...
All I can say and I do agree (with ya on the better 2 b safe than sorry) on taking some tunes with ya, is that If I was using (which in spite of all the trust/ faith I put on the system .. I ain't) FS i would take with me some CDs.. I hate CDs but this is a fail safe with U probably won't need 99% of the time.. so I would go 4 comfort!!
Club system... Even if clubs only had the hardware and I needed 2 take my on PC I think I would give it a go!! This might happen very soon as a lot of "big" djs r getting on the program.. so by demanding it clubs will eventually consider buying it and Having it!

Z

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