I don't think any manager in the world would take either Gerrard or Lampard out of that side, think they looked better when they played the 3-5-2 om the 2nd half.

Though we do struggle to break down a side who put 11 players behind the ball for 90 mins.

We kept playing long ball right from the start, temas like Argentina and Spain play a nice short passing game and keep the ball and look for openings, i can't remember one real through ball for Owen from midfield, all we kept doing was lumping the ball - if Bolton did that we would call it long boring football.

Fair play we have 6 points from 2 games but I really can not see us winning it the way we play,.

We upted the tempo when Rooney came on and he seemed to give everyone a lift but we looked very ordinary as a whole.

I hope we can raise the game against better sides.