pre-beat matching records....

[loopdon]

i really wanted to add: but don't use the spare time to overuse fx :cheese:

[Jay Pace]

I'd use the spare time to play on more decks.

Much as I would love to be tight as hell on four, its never, ever going to happen without a bit of help.

Agreed on liebing. Saw him in Barcelona. Chugging yawnfest, no variation, no human element.

[dirty_bass]

Do whatever you are comfortable with really.
If you are feeling hit, hopefully the crowd will too.

[tOM B]

i get a buzz out of working the vinyl to get it in time - i really enjoy it. however i can see that it can consume time spent working on other areas of your dj set. from my point of view i'd rather mix vinyl when i'm djing and have to beatmix; if i want to play the kind of set where i'm thinking about other stuff i'd rather do a live set.

That said it doesn't matter much to me what people are doing when i'm dancing as long as the tunes are good and the order they go in gives the set the right flow. In fact i love going to nights where there are some people mixing with vinyl, others using ableton, doing live sets etc. Variety is the spice of life eh? :cheese:

[rhythmtech]

i get a buzz out of working the vinyl to get it in time - i really enjoy it. however i can see that it can consume time spent working on other areas of your dj set. from my point of view i'd rather mix vinyl when i'm djing and have to beatmix; if i want to play the kind of set where i'm thinking about other stuff i'd rather do a live set.

That said it doesn't matter much to me what people are doing when i'm dancing as long as the tunes are good and the order they go in gives the set the right flow. In fact i love going to nights where there are some people mixing with vinyl, others using ableton, doing live sets etc. Variety is the spice of life eh? :cheese:

:clap:

[TechMouse]

I heard this about Andy C a month or two back and I do think its a little bit cheeky, proper DJs still using "sources" to mix their tunes through a mixer should NOT be pre mixing their tunes!

How would you like it if you were at the bar ordering your lady a nice cocktail and they pulled out an empty sprite bottle from the fridge with a pre made Cosmopolitan in it?

This is a different issue though.

On one side there's pre-mixing tunes... that is putting two tunes mixed together on a CD, and then mixing that into a set.

Then, there's having all your tunes at the same BPM so you can concentrate on other things.

The former is a bit of a cop out. The latter is perfectly fine IMHO. Getting two records in time is a piece of piss, and the real talent is how you blend, cut and manipulate the tunes. Not to mention tune selection.

[Little_Fella!]

Just thinking about the idea of 'taking away the challenge takes away the sense of achievement'....

If the challenge of beat matching is taken away then surely that free's up your mind to create for yourself a new challenge in the mix...

You can set certain diffuculty levels throughout ur set so that at times u find yourself breaking into a sweat to get it right, and others so that u can relax a little and get with the crowd...

[djfilthmonger]

it doesnt matter what is envoled whether its using ableton , cd decks, vinyal....
its the end result thats being played on to the floor

[Jay Pace]

Set about 100 tracks to 135 over the weekend.
Acid is a crafty little tool.

Plus, discovered some mint new mixes - stuff that you wouldn't usually dream of chucking together, and you can just test it out in an instant. Add to that creating bootleg types, extending intros, so much stuff can be done.

Can't believe I never thought of this before. Going to buy a new CD deck to celebrate, give myself a new challlenge.

[dirty_bass]

This is great.
I`m genuinly impressed by the more open minded attitudes expressed on here.

3 years ago in the place, people would be spitting at anything that didn`t involve 1210`s and vinyl.

Tech should embrace technology.

[TechMouse]

This is great.
I`m genuinly impressed by the more open minded attitudes expressed on here.

3 years ago in the place, people would be spitting at anything that didn`t involve 1210`s and vinyl.

Tech should embrace technology.

It's been a necessary change.

Everyone and their dog can mix vinyl on 1210s.

Where's the magic in that?

[[F/17]]

probably pioneer should introduce a new product, smthing like "the pleaser™" consisting of multi-input digital player device plus mixer (of course, as a single device – no extra wires needed)
featuring
“match ‘em!” button for precise bpm-matching
And
“tune ‘em” button for extreme harmony!

press “please ‘em” button and it will start showing you funky dj moves on the built-in LCD full-color screen – if you repeat what it shows the crowd will be definitely pleased!!!

further versions of the product will contain special “get it all played” function – no need to choose tracks!! just come, wave your hands and get your money!

[TechMouse]

]probably pioneer should introduce a new product, smthing like "the pleaser™" consisting of multi-input digital player device plus mixer (of course, as a single device – no extra wires needed)
featuring
“match ‘em!” button for precise bpm-matching
And
“tune ‘em” button for extreme harmony!

press “please ‘em” button and it will start showing you funky dj moves on the built-in LCD full-color screen – if you repeat what it shows the crowd will be definitely pleased!!!

further versions of the product will contain special “get it all played” function – no need to choose tracks!! just come, wave your hands and get your money!

I think Sasha has one of these.

It's called the Maven.

[loopdon]

i think there is a sort of hamrony matching thang on the pioneer 800 ?

[rhythmtech]

]probably pioneer should introduce a new product, smthing like "the pleaser™" consisting of multi-input digital player device plus mixer (of course, as a single device – no extra wires needed)
featuring
“match ‘em!” button for precise bpm-matching
And
“tune ‘em” button for extreme harmony!

press “please ‘em” button and it will start showing you funky dj moves on the built-in LCD full-color screen – if you repeat what it shows the crowd will be definitely pleased!!!

further versions of the product will contain special “get it all played” function – no need to choose tracks!! just come, wave your hands and get your money!

I think Sasha has one of these.

It's called the Maven.

yeah that he called built on open code technology and is now trying to copyright!!! twat!

[ERROR404]

Its all personal preference isn't it. At the end of the day, the majority of the crowd don't know anyway, and as long as they are enjoysing it, that is what an artist is there to do. its their job.

I have a few gripes with this whole digital mixing though.

A bad Dj is a bad DJ, whether on decks, CDs, Ableton Traktor, whatever. By poor i mean poor track selection, boring mixing, poor flow, monotonous mono-tone sets etc etc. Bad beat matching only made this blatantly obvious. Ableton / TRaktor / digital mixing has made it easy fro these bad DJs to be even worse, because they have a world of FX and bad music at their finger tips to assault us with.
I don't do live sets just yet, becasue i'm not happy with the standard i am at with it, and i've been working on live performance stuff for 2 years. A live set IMO should be more than a DJ set, more interactive, more focussed and more adaptable. Unfortunately a lot of "live" sets you hear these days are less live than they have ever been, with pre-programmed sets, pre-matched or automatched beats. Why do we want to listen to artists doing this? Erm... we don;t - buy a CD and stay at home.
IMO if you're bored mixing on decks you're not being creative enough, if you can knock out 40 beat perfect and creative, interesting mixes in an hour, use another deck - an instand 3rd dimention to vinyl mixing. I can see how people get bored mixing on vinyl if all the do is beat match a tracks and then blend it over - wheres the skill in that? thats not MIXING that is PLAYING a sequence of records - IMO mixing is about making your own sound out of tunes you are playing.

Basically, nothing can add creativity excpet a human input, whether that be on vinyl, CDs, live, ableton or traktor - whatever.
Digital mixing has only made it easier for people with no talent to pass through, mediocrity in hand. The people who innovate will always use whatever they can to progress their sound.

[Jay Pace]

Good post

We had James Ruskin down at BlackBox last night, and he was ****ign unreal
3 decks and about 8 channels on ableton, some channels loops, some whole tracks
The end result is just formidable, and really unique to his style of performance.

I've found since matching things I can whack in loads of sampled loops, add 3 or 4 decks into the equation and be loads more creative because I don't have to worry about keeping 4 or more inputs in time each with variable speed controls.

You're right though. Digital just hides mediocrity behind beatmatching.

[ERROR404]

I've been looking for some kind of device to provide midi timcode from audio input - I'm trying to use ableton with decks for a kind of hybrid set - is there anything out there? Is this the kind of thing Ruskin was doing? Pretty sure Surgeon is doing something similar too... :)

[Jay Pace]

Ruskin used around 8 channels on ableton controlled using a evolution midi controller, each channel with a volume and bass filter. Then he just mixed vinyl into ableton, always keeping an ableton loop in for reference. Using 3 other decks.

That man is the shizzle, everything I aspire towards doing.

[ERROR404]

ah - kind the opposite way to what i was planning, but that seems more logical. Damb straight, Ruskin is the shizzle....

Did you hear Kevin Saunderson at Glade, Jay?