Jim , you made some good points there and I don't disagree that a lot of the hard stuff sounds very similar too. Like I said though , it's easy for me to point the finger and say "it's all getting sameish" as I am not doing any producing so what the **** do I know. But I do sort of feel it's sometimes an abuse of talent when a producer's sound becomes very similar track after track. These guys already have a bank of equipment and a vast knowledge of writing and producing tracks that guys like me would kill for , so I guess it's my own personal frustration that comes out when I listen to a record , sometimes I just think " oh come on guys , you can do better than this".

It's not jealousy or complaining for complainings sake , I think everyone that's into techno wants to see it evolving and improving all the time , to keep it exciting and I just don't think the Tribal sound is doing that. I do however agree that the tribal sound is still valid , it does sound great when mixed properly with other tracks of a different style. There should just be more variation.