I AM TRYING TO JUMP ON A BANDWAGON PLEASE HELP !!!!

[tOM B]

i think it's great to see people producing diverse music - and i think mark's right, the level of success is all about how and where your marketing happens

i guess some people might winge a bit, but it'll only be because they really rate what you do now; which means you'd always be welcomed back with open arms. Although i see no reason why you can't be known for producing different styles of good quality music at the same time

[MorePunkThanFunk]

maybe have a go at writing some music for tv adverts, could be a nice little earner and will let you create more diverse music

[massplanck]

http://www.discogs.com/release/176923

[Sunil]

http://www.discogs.com/release/176923

This is a good record, I remember getting it when it came out. Actually when I was thinking of some of the 'different' stuff I've heard by him in the past the other day, this one sprung to mind.

[rhythmtech]

jeez.. off the wall.. that was a great label..

anyone remember the gizelle & immersion release "1,2"?

[Sunil]

No, I had the Higinio 12" though, there was one corker on that... was quite dark if memory serves me correctly.

[rhythmtech]

he did one with chris lib aswell i think

[Si the Sigh]

Off The Wall was off the wall maaaaaaan!!

[massplanck]

well just thought its funny because the record is described as minimal on discogs. So Dave isnt a bandwagon jumper after he's been a pioneer of the minimal sound since 96.

or maybe it was all lost on ye.

I love explaining jokes.

[tocsin]

no, no.. basically h, you've tried it but you've not marketed it to the extent you need to...

I'm gonna have to agree with this. It's the simplest and probably most honest answer. The guys you mentioned, Henry, haven't been able to do whatever they want because they rode a crest of fame or because they are geniuses, or a mix of both. They were able to do it because, upon achieving some success, they got the right people generating a lot of hype behind the newer stuff they did. It's likely just a question of seeing if you can hook up with an organization/business that can do this for you. You've certainly got a large enough discography.

[Symmetric]

As a fan and a dj I will follow a good producer anywhere. Do what you feel, because if you love it then your fans will love it also. People, scenes, and tastes change and grow. Don't hold yourself back.

[robin m]

I don't know who would make negative judgements of you turning your hand to something new, maybe I'm just being naive - you must have had some experience of it to prompt this thread, but the majority of people can't think that way surely?

Personally I love it when I think I know how something's going to sound before I hear it based on previous experiences and it turns out to be something new that takes me by surprise, makes it even better.

You've certainly shown you can make banging acid stuff time and again, you've got nothing to prove there any more - keep it coming for sure but you've surely earned the right not to deliberately restrict yourself creatively.

The more width and imagination someone shows in their tunes the better, and I'd be surprised if many people thought otherwise. :)

[TechMouse]

I think Henry should start producing acid skiffle.

[fils_here]

go with your heart & what you wanna do man, no ones gonna slate you for taking a slightly different musical approach if they do then that's their problem & not your's. it would still be wise to carry on with techno & produce the minimal/electro sounding stuff on the side for now & build up a following if you catch my drift.

[Jay Pace]

Plan of attack:

Abruptly stop playing hard techno, grow your hair all weird and everyone will start talking about your hair more than your music.

People will bitch and moan about how you pussied out on proper techno, but mostly they will fixate on your hair.

Eventually the tide will turn, you will be the most popular man in the world and will open the 2012 London Olympics.
People will still be bitching about your hair and your pussy music, and you can wrongfoot everyone by playing hydraulix 9 during a surreal opening ceremony featuring angry clowns on stilts with guns.

Eventually everyone will grudginly accept that you are a pioneer of techno even if they don't like your new direction, although they will still have reservations about your hair.

Then cut your hair.

[crime]

the important thing is to totally ignore what you think other people will think of it and just get on with it.... don't let the tail wag the dog, I personally think that's where things can go wrong, and also the reason why I found london really opressive when I lived there, and berlin also to an extent, people telling you "oh there isn't the market for this or that" or "you should be making music like....".. this is why moving to Poland has been so liberating for me, not being surrounded by industry people who think they know what's what...
just do what you feel, write loads of it, and only release the corkers...

[holotropik]

the important thing is to totally ignore what you think other people will think of it and just get on with it.... don't let the tail wag the dog, I personally think that's where things can go wrong, and also the reason why I found london really opressive when I lived there, and berlin also to an extent, people telling you "oh there isn't the market for this or that" or "you should be making music like....".. this is why moving to Poland has been so liberating for me, not being surrounded by industry people who think they know what's what...
just do what you feel, write loads of it, and only release the corkers...

yep, true.
always control that dog tail
its at the shitty end
and should be treated as such.

[eyeswithoutaface]

this is exactly why im SOOOO glad im a newcomer in the current climate. None of this pressure to keep performing for the moaners or those stuck in the past and unwilling to move on with their fave artists. I mean, shouldnt a true fan be willing to accept what the artist they love is doing and move on with them?

it's a tough dilemma certainly, on one hand you want to do what you want to do, on the other you need to keep doing what you are doing in order to retain gigs and please the fans. I think it's alot easier for the younger and newer artists like myself to have a very neutral stance on something like this, because i've never had to rely on music as my income, it's nice when music does bring some income in as it's another way to appreciate your hard work, but at the same time allows practically total freedom to do what one wants, at the moment im releasing and producing everything from hard techno through to minimal, through to electro, to breaks and i even record my own songs and with friends in bands and stuff so its gravy.

personally Henry, i think that track u posted is one of the best thing's ive heard of yours, i really dont like the acid london sound, ive just never been into it, i know it means alot to alot of my friends and i can understand that, but i think if someone can produce to your standard and is doing other stuff like this which, to me, and im sure to many many others, is a cut above the harder or clubbier stuff your doing, then it would be almost stupid not to follow that path just because people wont like it. As i say i know you need to keep your gigs in order and for that you need to retain your status as hard/london/acid techno artist, but i think the best thing to do is to let nature take its course. The more anyone fights a situation like this, the more they'l find themselves ultimately moving over in that direction as the need for refreshment and change just increases

[jacques]

Good music is good music, irrespective of who has produced it.
What is in a name?

Start playing minimal - people will book you, and take some time out to write more personal material. You don't owe anyone anything (except yourself a living, i guess), it is ultimately your music and we as your audience are privelidged to experience it, in whatever form.

[tocsin]

Plan of attack:

Abruptly stop playing hard techno, grow your hair all weird and everyone will start talking about your hair more than your music.

People will bitch and moan about how you pussied out on proper techno, but mostly they will fixate on your hair.

Eventually the tide will turn, you will be the most popular man in the world and will open the 2012 London Olympics.
People will still be bitching about your hair and your pussy music, and you can wrongfoot everyone by playing hydraulix 9 during a surreal opening ceremony featuring angry clowns on stilts with guns.

Eventually everyone will grudginly accept that you are a pioneer of techno even if they don't like your new direction, although they will still have reservations about your hair.

Then cut your hair.

HAHA!

The Velvet Jones School of Techno. ;)