The way Schranz is going....

[dan the acid man]

why does every schranz convo turn out like this.

some people love it, some don't, can't we all just live with it and leave out the personal insults

[MARK ANXIOUS]

exactly, it's just ridiculous.. i'm trying to make a good thread about taking schranz forward and ppl have to say 'oh no, i hate it, f it, etc etc'... well sorry but schranz is here to stay and if you don't like it i think ya need to leave the thread....... i remember ppl being like this when belgian techno came out in the 90's... whether you like it or not it's here - why not concentrate on what you like and put you effort into that.... my 2 cents..... instead of making a crappy post, if you don't like something why not make a topic about something you do???..

[Sunil]

exactly, it's just ridiculous.. i'm trying to make a good thread about taking schranz forward and ppl have to say 'oh no, i hate it, f it, etc etc'... well sorry but schranz is here to stay and if you don't like it i think ya need to leave the thread....... i remember ppl being like this when belgian techno came out in the 90's... whether you like it or not it's here - why not concentrate on what you like and put you effort into that.... my 2 cents..... instead of making a crappy post, if you don't like something why not make a topic about something you do???..

Yeah, but you know what kind of response schranz threads get Mark. I know you had the best intentions here, but you did kinda ask for it.

A lot of people simply don't respect schranz, and while it may come across as snobby or uppity in some ways, I can totally relate people's feelings on this... as I do share similar views on some of it.

Yeah, it's better that personal insults don't come into it, but it's just a measure of how strongly people feel on both sides of the arguement here. Anyway, it's only a messageboard and we're all big boys here, so if people are easily offended by the digs at schranz, maybe *they* need to leave the thread?!

I think heated discussions and arguements should continue on this if they have to... No-one's really getting hurt, are they?

Not all of the techno scene is fine and dandy for everyone, and that should be reflected here too by those who make considered observations and posts, even if they do come across as "negative".

If you are suggesting censorship of people's views on this messageboard then I think you're making the wrong choice. Surely people can participate even if it isn't to shower stuff with praise? And alternatively, do they really need to start their own threads if they want to talk about something?

[crime]

Yeah, it's better that personal insults don't come into it, but it's just a measure of how strongly people feel on both sides of the arguement here. Anyway, it's only a messageboard and we're all big boys here, so if people are easily offended by the digs at schranz, maybe *they* need to leave the thread?!

I've got to say I found it quite amusing how someone could get so offended at me making sarcastic comments about Schranz.. I never told anyone to "go **** themselves".. and maybe these schranz producers would get more respect from me if they could show that they arn't limited to a half or quarter bar loop of repetitive noise.. fair enough if you like it, I just think it's a bit emperors new clothes.. maybe it's because I heard The Advent "Elements of life" when it came out, which to me is what every schranz record is trying to sound like but falls far short of in ideas and production standard...

[Miromiric]

I've got to say I found it quite amusing how someone could get so offended at me making sarcastic comments about Schranz.. I never told anyone to "go **** themselves".. and maybe these schranz producers would get more respect from me if they could show that they arn't limited to a half or quarter bar loop of repetitive noise.. fair enough if you like it, I just think it's a bit emperors new clothes.. maybe it's because I heard The Advent "Elements of life" when it came out, which to me is what every schranz record is trying to sound like but falls far short of in ideas and production standard...

heeeey, this sounds like what the legendary miro had to say about wonk-donk once upon a time

still, i agree with you about this one.

[dirty_bass]

the problem with Schnranze/dark/funky techno these days, is that it tends to be mostly made by a group of producers all copy the originator in that sub genre.

That`s my take, I think all techno suffers the same copycat, unimaginative blandness more and more these days.

I almost feel like rebelling against the prevailence of soft studios.

[Mucky Beats]

Shranz is cool ... i've been thro the mill with it tbh and now deffo think its cool now ... its deffo a sound thats come from the kinda Form stuff by kramer and k dsmith and all them lot in the late 90's early 00's and of course natus and them nutters ... its just good relentless hard stuff !
At first when all the cheeky bootlegs like born slippy and stuff came out i thought yeh this is banging for dropping in sets... also dunno if it was really or even now shanz but stuff like the killa's and Skull stuff was ace to bang out at raves!
But then i felt it all went a little over board on the bootlegs and the sound wasnt doing much anymore if ya know what i mean?
BUT then like any form of music it kinda found its feet or I found my feet with it... and now i have a selection of really banging shranz stuff like... Corporate, Protect and loads of labels i have never seen before but are wicked... and everytime i play or hear it in a club it goes off!
I couldnt play it all the time tho its just to pull out the bag now and again. I deffo enjoy it more in small doses like 1 or 2 sets a event not all night.

[The Overfiend]

the problem with Schnranze/dark/funky techno these days, is that it tends to be mostly made by a group of producers all copy the originator in that sub genre.

That`s my take, I think all techno suffers the same copycat, unimaginative blandness more and more these days.

I almost feel like rebelling against the prevailence of soft studios.

I don't agree but I'll ask you for example?

[crime]

heeeey, this sounds like what the legendary miro had to say about wonk-donk once upon a time

still, i agree with you about this one.

Difference is though Miro, that you were trying to diss something that you didn't have much of an idea about, and showed yourself up when you couldn't even tell the difference between my name and Mark Williams's..

[Miromiric]

Difference is though Miro, that you were trying to diss something that you didn't have much of an idea about, and showed yourself up when you couldn't even tell the difference between my name and Mark Williams's..

that was just a mix up with names.

[massplanck]

techno started off as electronic soul music. Now its just turning into generic whiteboy rage shit.


Its all 'fhuck the bitch' 'kill the cunt' 'knife the granny' & 'make the bastard bleed' music these days..

[Miromiric]

techno started off as electronic soul music. Now its just turning into generic whiteboy rage shit.


Its all 'fhuck the bitch' 'kill the cunt' 'knife the granny' & 'make the bastard bleed' music these days..

that's whiteboy musack?

[Spire]

Now its just turning into generic whiteboy rage shit.

Hahahaha. Classic.

[audioinjection]

why is it i only hear about techno going down in sales of vinyl.......dnb, house, trance, and hardcore seem to be doing ok no?

[dirty_bass]

why is it i only hear about techno going down in sales of vinyl.......dnb, house, trance, and hardcore seem to be doing ok no?

no and yes.

Vinyl sales are down across the board, but less so in other areas.
In fact music sales are down across the board, it`s just that techno has been hit by this, and a seeming abandonment by the (not so massive) masses.

House will always be the biggest in dance music.
It has more melody, more groove, more vocals for your average person on a night out to sing along too etc

Trance again is more accessable, melody, vox in some cases.

Drum and bass as a music has more cred than techno for some reason. It`s the rougher edgy relation to street culture it has I reckon, rather than the nerdy white boy studio freak relationship that techno has to most people.
There`s still hoards of drum and bass nights, and they still ram em in.
Techno parties are having difficulty holding regular high numbers.
I think it`s just that techno is less popular, it`s either too abstract, too repetative, too hard, or just plain too inaccessable to people.
It`s an aqquired/learned taste, and also, the prevailance of alcohol culture in clubs over the other kind, means the peeps want more recognisable music, for their slower brains.

the real question is why have we lost so many people?
Aging techno generation not going out?
Over repetition and too much DJ based music driven your average joe away?


Hard to say, but the popularity of minimal, and it`s emphasis on grooves and riffs (and closeness to house), to me, points to a need for more soulful music.

Now what kinda worries me a little, is that for a while now, me and my mates have been securely saying to ourselves
"ah it`ll be ok, these things go in cycles, people will get into it again"
But recently, I looked at it a different way.
All musics hit there peak of interest and then settle into their true, smaller fanbase, rather than the popularist fan base.
Take Jazz, for example.
Once was very popular, then settled down.
It never died (allthough tell that to BBc radio) but has settled into it`s place, not really rising back.

Maybe this is the stage techno is at?

It doesn`t really matter too much really.

But hell, we need something to talk about in here.

[dan the acid man]

some great posts in here, im going to read some of them again.

Personally speaking, switching to mp3 for me has enabled me to buy a much wider variety of styles, due to being able to buy more single tracks instead of an ep

[Si the Sigh]

why is it i only hear about techno going down in sales of vinyl.......dnb, house, trance, and hardcore seem to be doing ok no?

I always wonder the same thing.

My mate owns a record shop. UK Hardcore out sells every techno release by 20 to 1 at the absolute least.

D&B vinyl sales are still high. Hardtrance & Hardstyle sales are still reasonable, as are sales of house and breaks, abet on a smaller scale in the case of this shop.

You can't tell me that MP3's are selling more than vinyl. I really can't believe that at all.

[Jay Pace]

D&B vinyl sales are still high

On D&B - have you heard that "download" track? Jesus.
Bunch of ****ing dinosaurs

[audioinjection]

I always wonder the same thing.

My mate owns a record shop. UK Hardcore out sells every techno release by 20 to 1 at the absolute least.

D&B vinyl sales are still high. Hardtrance & Hardstyle sales are still reasonable, as are sales of house and breaks, abet on a smaller scale in the case of this shop.

You can't tell me that MP3's are selling more than vinyl. I really can't believe that at all.

yeah, i've heard about alot of hardcore and dnb labels still selling nice amounts of vinyl.......although i dont think hardcore and dnb are big in the mp3 market maybe?

[dirty_bass]

I always wonder the same thing.

My mate owns a record shop. UK Hardcore out sells every techno release by 20 to 1 at the absolute least.

D&B vinyl sales are still high. Hardtrance & Hardstyle sales are still reasonable, as are sales of house and breaks, abet on a smaller scale in the case of this shop.

You can't tell me that MP3's are selling more than vinyl. I really can't believe that at all.

No, people just aren`t buying techno.