The way Schranz is going....

[Miromiric]

I've got to say I found it quite amusing how someone could get so offended at me making sarcastic comments about Schranz.. I never told anyone to "go **** themselves".. and maybe these schranz producers would get more respect from me if they could show that they arn't limited to a half or quarter bar loop of repetitive noise.. fair enough if you like it, I just think it's a bit emperors new clothes.. maybe it's because I heard The Advent "Elements of life" when it came out, which to me is what every schranz record is trying to sound like but falls far short of in ideas and production standard...

heeeey, this sounds like what the legendary miro had to say about wonk-donk once upon a time

still, i agree with you about this one.

[dirty_bass]

the problem with Schnranze/dark/funky techno these days, is that it tends to be mostly made by a group of producers all copy the originator in that sub genre.

That`s my take, I think all techno suffers the same copycat, unimaginative blandness more and more these days.

I almost feel like rebelling against the prevailence of soft studios.

[Mucky Beats]

Shranz is cool ... i've been thro the mill with it tbh and now deffo think its cool now ... its deffo a sound thats come from the kinda Form stuff by kramer and k dsmith and all them lot in the late 90's early 00's and of course natus and them nutters ... its just good relentless hard stuff !
At first when all the cheeky bootlegs like born slippy and stuff came out i thought yeh this is banging for dropping in sets... also dunno if it was really or even now shanz but stuff like the killa's and Skull stuff was ace to bang out at raves!
But then i felt it all went a little over board on the bootlegs and the sound wasnt doing much anymore if ya know what i mean?
BUT then like any form of music it kinda found its feet or I found my feet with it... and now i have a selection of really banging shranz stuff like... Corporate, Protect and loads of labels i have never seen before but are wicked... and everytime i play or hear it in a club it goes off!
I couldnt play it all the time tho its just to pull out the bag now and again. I deffo enjoy it more in small doses like 1 or 2 sets a event not all night.

[fatcollective]

i do like some of it, in fact there is some really great produced tracks out there, but for me its just to hard and fast...i cant keep up with it, i like funky beats and groovey basslines.....im gettin old i think ha ha !!

[The Overfiend]

the problem with Schnranze/dark/funky techno these days, is that it tends to be mostly made by a group of producers all copy the originator in that sub genre.

That`s my take, I think all techno suffers the same copycat, unimaginative blandness more and more these days.

I almost feel like rebelling against the prevailence of soft studios.

I don't agree but I'll ask you for example?

[audioinjection]

i don't listen to alot of schranz, nor do i know exactly what it is......because i have hard techno records that are classified as schranz but to me its just hard techno........i dont know haha

but some of it is cool, but that same ol reverbed/distorted/compressed kick drum over a pop song is pretty wack imo

ive heard sets from arkus p, sandy warez, robert natus.......they have some cool hard bangin tracks in there, but alot of it does get to sound the same

[dirty_bass]

I don't agree but I'll ask you for example?

I`ll turn it around and ask for ome examples of something that isn`t following the route of same old same old made-to-fit-my-hero`s sound techno.

I think there is some great schranze out there, as is other techno, but for the good stuff there is a 20-1 ratio of sounds just-the-same as "insert genre leader here"

I think it`s easy to scapegoat schranze, but it`s a wider problem.

Too many people just making tunes to be popular or get ahead/get a name.

Obviously, this is my cynical view though.

[ds2]

I`ll turn it around and ask for ome examples of something that isn`t following the route of same old same old made-to-fit-my-hero`s sound techno.

dirty bass obviously...

[dirty_bass]

dirty bass obviously...

At last someone with guts.

[The Overfiend]

I`ll turn it around and ask for ome examples of something that isn`t following the route of same old same old made-to-fit-my-hero`s sound techno.

I think there is some great schranze out there, as is other techno, but for the good stuff there is a 20-1 ratio of sounds just-the-same as "insert genre leader here"

I think it`s easy to scapegoat schranze, but it`s a wider problem.

Too many people just making tunes to be popular or get ahead/get a name.

Obviously, this is my cynical view though.

I don't think I am following any hero sound.
Nor is Patrick Dsp
Nor is Brad Lee
Nor is David F.
Nor is Paul Mac.
Nor is Scott Gray for that matter....

I think there are a few who are trying to carve their own niche in the boat that is about to float over the water fall.

[dirty_bass]

I don't think I am following any hero sound.
Nor is Patrick Dsp
Nor is Brad Lee
Nor is David F.
Nor is Paul Mac.
Nor is Scott Gray for that matter....

I think there are a few who are trying to carve their own niche in the boat that is about to float over the water fall.

Carving a niche in a niche is probably not the best idea, but the peeps in your list I respect musically, and don`t represent the majority of dross out there.

Mac is a good example though of a Diverse Producer. He turns his hand to all things and does it very well, his music contains many references and influences, and really techno needs more people like him, as too many producers have a very limited pallette in both influence and product, and it`s starting to show in the increasing blandness of the techno genre as a whole.
I also think that distributers wield the blame as well, as the shrinking market causes a tendancy to be popularist, and so less risks are taken.
I`m almost hoping for the death of vinyl now, as it will losen the stranglehold of the distributers and possibly increase the diversity within techno, both from the listener/clubber and the producer, who can take more risks due to lower overheads etc.
Who knows.

[Sunil]

I`m almost hoping for the death of vinyl now, as it will losen the stranglehold of the distributers and possibly increase the diversity within techno, both from the listener/clubber and the producer, who can take more risks due to lower overheads etc.
Who knows.

Ah man, don't be like that. Digital is an option for everyone if they want, but the death of vinyl won't suddenly help achieve what you're talking about at all. What about the people who actually like releasing vinyl and do put out good records? There are a lot of labels that wouldn't be as bothered if their only option was digital. You need to give this subject a bit more thought I think.

[SlavikSvensk]

Carving a niche in a niche is probably not the best idea, but the peeps in your list I respect musically, and don`t represent the majority of dross out there.

Mac is a good example though of a Diverse Producer. He turns his hand to all things and does it very well, his music contains many references and influences, and really techno needs more people like him, as too many producers have a very limited pallette in both influence and product, and it`s starting to show in the increasing blandness of the techno genre as a whole.
I also think that distributers wield the blame as well, as the shrinking market causes a tendancy to be popularist, and so less risks are taken.
I`m almost hoping for the death of vinyl now, as it will losen the stranglehold of the distributers and possibly increase the diversity within techno, both from the listener/clubber and the producer, who can take more risks due to lower overheads etc.
Who knows.

yeah you really hit the nail on the head there. the business model for techno is so broken that it's desperately seeking anything even moderately successful then caning it to death for any possible profit. they have supply and need more demand. can't blame them, really...but it's an institutional problem. a switch from vinyl might lower the overhead, but the key problem would still be there...which is a problem not so much with the demand but with the supply

the solution for me though is to have more producers like paul mac who can do everything and do everything with some quality and care. i know i'll probably get hammered for being elitist, but maybe there need to be fewer producers out there?

i mean, label owners and distributors can do what they want but maybe there should be fewer producers, fewer labels, etc. and higher quality standards. maybe tracks should be evaluated on how they function as songs rather than as loops that fit a category? maybe there needs to be some consolidation among labels, but in the sense of creating label collectives that pool resources and sustain each other?

just throwing ideas out there...

[MorePunkThanFunk]

I`ll turn it around and ask for ome examples of something that isn`t following the route of same old same old made-to-fit-my-hero`s sound techno.

I think there is some great schranze out there, as is other techno, but for the good stuff there is a 20-1 ratio of sounds just-the-same as "insert genre leader here"

I think it`s easy to scapegoat schranze, but it`s a wider problem.

Too many people just making tunes to be popular or get ahead/get a name.

Obviously, this is my cynical view though.

no i completely agree, i think the majority of techno and tbh dance on the whole is the same old stuff being churned out over and over again with the exception of a minority of records being unbelievably good.

[crime]

heeeey, this sounds like what the legendary miro had to say about wonk-donk once upon a time

still, i agree with you about this one.

Difference is though Miro, that you were trying to diss something that you didn't have much of an idea about, and showed yourself up when you couldn't even tell the difference between my name and Mark Williams's..

[Miromiric]

Difference is though Miro, that you were trying to diss something that you didn't have much of an idea about, and showed yourself up when you couldn't even tell the difference between my name and Mark Williams's..

that was just a mix up with names.

[robin m]

There are too many Marks out there, some of them need culling I reckon :)

[crime]

that was just a mix up with names.

so this is you then ??
: http://www.discogs.com/artist/Miro

:p

[koma]

ah, legendary Miro

this has got to be one of the best hardcore releases ever...
http://www.discogs.com/release/20562