wonk!!!!!!!!!!!

[Tiptoe]

really like the wonky stuff at the minute its great. can anyone help me out by naming some good labels, producers and records for me please. This is kind of sound i'm liking if this helps
http://mp3.juno.co.uk/MP3/SF182002-01-02-03.mp3

[stjohn]

cannibal cooking club, mark hawkins, neil landstrumm

[fac]

ask the user crime. he is the biggest fan of wonky.

[audioinjection]

cannibal cooking club for sure
dj mahatma has some stuff like that too

[Sunil]

I dunno what tune that is, but judging by it, I'd say you'd like the stuff on Miditonal..

Check Chan n'Mikes, Horspielmusik, Don't, Shed, Kugelbox, Feinwerk, Input Output, Growth, Nasty Colour, Victim, some Tonewrecker releases, and a heap of others...

I think there's a fine line between 'wacky' wonky a la Miditonal, and the stuff by Landstrumm, Subhead and co. The British stuff generally has more stain power, and isn't all just silly or over the top for the sake of it... That said, Forshaw stuff for instance can be totally mentalist and over the top, but he's kinda an originator in that regard...

'Wonky' has tarnished some of the well known producers in this 'field', as if they only do wonky, or don't make other music or more 'serious' music or something... but I think some of the better producers associated with this are amongst the most diverse on the scene...

[Tiptoe]

yeah i got a couple recently on miditional shake a snake remixes and something else i can't remember name of. Cheers so far and keep em coming. oh yeah leif ryan is shit hot!!!!

[FUSION]

cant beat a bit of wonk

[rotten]

[crime]

I think there's a fine line between 'wacky' wonky a la Miditonal, and the stuff by Landstrumm, Subhead and co. The British stuff generally has more stain power, and isn't all just silly or over the top for the sake of it... ..

that should be gaping chasm rather than fine line..
how anyone can compare the quality of production, inventive ideas and sheer power of Landstrumm etc with the cash in shite of miditonal is beyond me... it's people like you lot who create bandwagons for people with no imagination to jump on...

[rotten]

that should be gaping chasm rather than fine line..
how anyone can compare the quality of production, inventive ideas and sheer power of Landstrumm etc with the cash in shite of miditonal is beyond me... it's people like you lot who create bandwagons for people with no imagination to jump on...

WOOORD!!!

[Sunil]

that should be gaping chasm rather than fine line..
how anyone can compare the quality of production, inventive ideas and sheer power of Landstrumm etc with the cash in shite of miditonal is beyond me... it's people like you lot who create bandwagons for people with no imagination to jump on...

I'm reading your post a few times now and still am not sure if that's directed at me? Make yourself clear here.. Am *I* the type of person who creates bandwagons for people to jump on?

[crime]

I'm reading your post a few times now and still am not sure if that's directed at me? Make yourself clear here.. Am *I* the type of person who creates bandwagons for people to jump on?

The bandwagon bit wasn't directed at you, just the use of these terms "Wonky", "Tribal" whatever..

I mean, firstly, that mp3 link doesn't sound to me like anything I've heard on miditonal, it was actually half decent, showing a bit of restraint and subtlety on the sounds, not just hitting a keyboard, hitting record and saying "wow man, arn't I experimental", which to be quite honest what so much of that kind of stuff sounds like these days, and what made me hate being lumped in with the whole "wonky techno" thing, like around the time when a load of loons on too many drugs from east germany basically tried to replicate brown by august but at 160 bpm with no thought or imagination...

What I don't get though Sunil, is that it seems you are saying that people like Landstrumm and Vogel, and more "serious" people in this supposed "genre" make "Wonky" music and "serious" music, where is their line? What I mean is, which Neil Landstrumm trax are "serious" and which are "Wonky"?

by making a statment like that, you are yourself saying that "Wonky" is a derogatory term..

To be honest, 3 or 4 years ago I didn't so much mind being associated with the term, it was just when loads of people went out and decided that they would go and try and make "Wonky techno" (instead of setting out so make some genre that seems unknown these days called "Music", dunno if any of you have heard of it, it's pretty good actually) that it all went to shit, same as every sub sub sub genre on the techno scene, look at the tribal thing, I'm not the biggest ben sims or adam beyer fan, but I have to admire some of their early productions, but then once the remanipulator remix came out everyone and his dog was trying to cut up samba records, but doing it really really terribly..

personally I think if you listen to something like "Shake a snake" next to Landstrumm's "inhabit the machines" (which was from 9 years earlier I might add), there is no comparison..

which is the originator, and which is the second rate 10 years later copycat but done very badly?

I'll hold my hands up and admit I've done my fair bit of plagurism of Landstrumm, Vogel & Dancemania, but I did it with the utmost respect for the originators, and I am currently striving to push my own sound forward in a way I feel is unique..

Not going "oh lets find a wacky synth sound, and lay it on top of over distorted drums which we MADE funky by putting 75 % swing quantise on" (by the way, swing quantise, does not make your beats funky, being able to program does)

The problem I have with the term WONKY (WANKY anyone?) is it groups together some very talented musicians dragged down by some very poor imitators.. Sorry if I have to rear my ugly head every time someone comes out with the W word, but when my name is mentioned next to it, I think I'm entitled to an opinion...


and @ Tiptoe, sorry if you feel like you opened pandora's box somewhat with this thread, to make up for it this is IMO the direction you should be looking in.. some of it will be very hard to find and possibly expensive, but very very worth it:

http://www.discogs.com/label/Sativae
http://www.discogs.com/label/Mosquito
http://www.discogs.com/label/Scandinavia+Records
http://www.discogs.com/artist/Subhead

http://www.discogs.com/artist/Cristian+Vogel
http://www.discogs.com/artist/Neil+Landstrumm
http://www.discogs.com/artist/Tobias+Schmidt



some newer stuff:

http://www.discogs.com/release/607177
http://www.discogs.com/label/Feinwerk
http://www.discogs.com/label/Input+-+Output+Inc.
http://www.discogs.com/artist/Jason+Leach

also, if you want a regular lowdown on a lot of the new stuff that's coming out check here:
http://www.fun-in-the-murky.com/mt/

sorry for moanin :(

[303Power]

miditonal is a wicked label. nice and wonky but got a hard beats to the tunes

[teknorich]

Was just listening to the old Globus mix by Matthew Herbert ("Let's all make mistakes"). Admittedly slower and less techno than the rest of this thread, though it finishes with Tube Jerk, Si Begg etc, but I'd forgotten what a crazy mix it is. Really good fun!!

[crime]

miditonal is a wicked label. nice and wonky but got a hard beats to the tunes

you need to check this out mate: http://www.discogs.com/release/4507

will put a few things into perspective...

[crime]

miditonal is a wicked label. nice and wonky but got a hard beats to the tunes

sorry mate, but you sound like one of those people who just posts, because you like posting something, not because you actually know what you're talking about...