adam beyer

[basslinejunkie]

hahaha

[g]

people complaining about his 'minimal' sound apparently never really paid attention to code red.

[katya]

He's been doing the drumcode/loop techno thing for about 10, 11 years now. I defy absolutely anyone as a person to not want to reach out and try different things after 10 years of, whilst being of the highest quality, pretty much the same sound.

Right, but what about the drumcode history?? I can't say that it's entirely transcended into the new sound..

[katya]

people complaining about his 'minimal' sound apparently never really paid attention to code red.

in agreement on that one - the minimal sound BEFORE the german minimal wave.

[fac]

as far as i know hawtin is not german...

[fac]

do you really want to say code red has more in common with trapez than with drumcode?

[essence]

both FaC and Dustin have a point in their opinions. Dustin is quite right about people always complaining about ab; fac is quite right in his statement that sometimes having different point of view is intolerated and ppl tend to worship 'holy cows'
Regarding mr Beyer - he has always been a good and prolific producer - he had his better and worse moments; never admired him as much as karl/tony, oliver ho and james ruskin etc... but always had respect for him. drumcode was a very important label for my early techno experience; loved his tracks on jericho/inside; his newer works still can rock (as if dubs for example is imo one of the best clubby tracks a.d. 2006). and I think he deserves respect; there are so many artists who deserve criticism to much bigger extent than adam (all those teen techno producers e.g. hades/marco bailey/redhead)...

[eyeswithoutaface]

Right, but what about the drumcode history?? I can't say that it's entirely transcended into the new sound..

sorry that doesnt make sense, your going to have to elaborate. No one mentioned Drumcode's history, nor does it have anything to do with it. The fact Beyer has worked Drumcode up into a label that has been able to last for ten years is in itself a testament to its quality, thats a totally seperate issue. This is about people disliking his preferred direction.

[robin m]

like i say, one of the main things that is pushed down people's throats in techno is nostalgia, "It was amazing back in my day"..." oh remember when such and such was still amazing"... out of the scenes im involved in, the majority of techno fans are definately the worst at times for having this strange fixation with clutching onto the past desperately and then getting all shitty and bitter when one of their fave artists refuses to get left behind in 1998 like u say Joe lad

Totally agree with this... surely it's far, far better for all concerned to talk about the good things going on at the moment than bitterly complaining that it's not as good as it used to be. That was then, this is now.

Everyone's always gonna be misty-eyed about the stuff that turned them on to the music in the first place but slating or hating (did anyone honestly say that?? surely not...) someone for taking their sound in a new direction they wanna go in is just plain bollocks.

Music should be art, people should write the music they feel needs to be written... if Beyer just catered for fanboys rather than making stuff from the heart he'd be selling out. Fair play to the bloke. Change is essential.

[dan the acid man]

Well said, it's always been a no win situation, change and you get people complaining, don't change and you will still have people complaining

Let him do what he wants, if you love it great, if not find something else to listen to and enjoy instead.

[katya]

sorry that doesnt make sense, your going to have to elaborate. No one mentioned Drumcode's history, nor does it have anything to do with it. The fact Beyer has worked Drumcode up into a label that has been able to last for ten years is in itself a testament to its quality, thats a totally seperate issue. This is about people disliking his preferred direction.

by history I meant the musicial progression/direction of the label, which certainly encompasses quality, but you are right, that's a totally different topic

[fac]

Music should be art, people should write the music they feel needs to be written...

double for this naive statement

[robin m]

double for this naive statement

Laugh it up, but when you get over yourself & the (granted) cheesiness of the statement it's true isn't it? What else do people make music for?

Is it really naive - what great music was made for other reasons than for the love of it?

[...Dave...]

Laugh it up, but when you get over yourself & the (granted) cheesiness of the statement it's true isn't it? What else do people make music for?

Is it really naive - what great music was made for other reasons than for the love of it?

:) absolutely

[fac]

as a matter of principle your statement is right. but nowadays i cant see that many producers doing it deeply from their hearts. i always hear apologies like "but i have to pay my rent". i say fu.ck it! if music cant pay your rent you have to get a fu.cking job.

[rhythmtech]

as a matter of principle your statement is right. but nowadays i cant see that many producers doing it deeply from their hearts. i always hear apologies like "but i have to pay my rent". i say fu.ck it! if music cant pay your rent you have to get a fu.cking job.

with all due respect m8 you need to come down off your horse. everyone is entitled to do what they do.. i say fu.ck it. if you can make money from music to help you do what you wanna do then so be it.. many people have families and homes. are they meant to make music that appeals purely to the underground and live off the social welfare?

[rhythmtech]

and before you say it im not condoning "selling out" but if someone makes a tune that they know will appeal commercially then y not put it out there and get something back for your work? theres plenty of good music out there that has commercial appeal.. it doesnt have to be only liked by 3 people in brataslavia to make it good.

[Jay Pace]

Everyone should work in a factory to keep their art pure and unsullied by dirty commercialism.

Making music that sells well is the work of the devil.

[fac]

are they meant to make music that appeals purely to the underground and live off the social welfare?

if music cant pay your rent you have to get a fu.cking job.

if you "tune" your music in a way it sells better, fine. nothing wrong with it. but then dont tell me it is deep from your heart. cause its bollocks. i read a great post from mark hawkins here some time ago. he wrote since he had a regular job he was more satisfied with the music he did cause there wasnt the pressure to sell loads of it. he did what he wanted to do not what the market wanted him to do.

[rhythmtech]

but factories are SO commercial these days, i find.