Retracing history to predict where techno is going.

[fac]

listen to old basic channel records. they were minimal, they were repetitive, but they were SONGS. and they STILL sound better than any "minimal" made today.

couldnt agree more

[Komplex]

who does minimal techno like basic channel, rob hood or maurizio nowadays?

I do, send me a pm with ur address...

Also check out some of Echoplex's work.


-Greg

[Martin Dust]

couldnt agree more

There's plenty of good stuff out there, what are you guys listening to that's so shit?

[fac]

There's plenty of good stuff out there

agree again. but for me not among this so-called minimal stuff.

[massplanck]

The future of techno is pretty bleak. A genre of music that relies on electricy more than any other trying to survive in world of energy efficiency & climate change. Its faint memory carried on by Mad-Max style troubadors, haunting the land, singing songs of a world long extinct.

Techno has about as much of a future as ancient greek music did.

[Martin Dust]

agree again. but for me not among this so-called minimal stuff.

You not feeling things like Bitstream, Stott, Claro etc?

[fac]

where is bitstream minimal? i know not one single minimal track from them. i like some records from andy stott and claro intelecto tho. but thats the more detroit oriented stuff.

[MangaFish]

see that's the problem with labelling stuff. I hate genre names - it serves no good at all

[Clit Commander]

There's plenty of good minimal stuff out there at the moment (ala Basic Channel, Rob Hood, etc.). Try checking out the Deepchord or Echochord labels. It's really great dubbed out minimal...as in there is literally only like a synth, a kick drum and a hi hat, sometimes not even that. Rod Modell makes some great stuff and Vanquier just put out something recently as well.

It's kind of like Dirty Bass said, the stuff classified these days as minimal is actually more like house music than minimal. The world minimal has just become an umbrella term just like techno is. And as Darkside said, there is plenty of good music going around at the moment...so if you're not finding quality music then you're not looking hard enough.

Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing techno move down to the BPM of like 115bpm jackin acid-house type tracks. Bring some old school flare, b-boy attitude, and 80s influence into the mix.

[fac]

thats why i said so-called minimal stuff. most of it is more tech house in my opinion. since minimal is so popular they call almost everything minimal. there are even minimal floors on most of the parties here.

deepchord is great of course and also that new stuff coming from the hard wax camp. like scion versions 001 (if you were referring to that talking about recent vainqueur) or some hot t++ shit.

[dirty_bass]

The future of techno is pretty bleak. A genre of music that relies on electricy more than any other trying to survive in world of energy efficiency & climate change. Its faint memory carried on by Mad-Max style troubadors, haunting the land, singing songs of a world long extinct.

Techno has about as much of a future as ancient greek music did.

What does that leave for the future of music in general then, minus electronics?

Symphonic, ok I can dig that.
Folk? evil dirge
irish folk? evil dirge that thinks it better than it is because it`s irish
Rock bands playing accoustically? poncey turgid wailing middle class trash

In fact without electricity a hell of a lot of music will die, as well as the means of playing it at home, as well as lighting your home etc.

[Clit Commander]

LOLZERS @ that argument. Generating electricity to power things (and make techno) is a problem which is much easier to solve than most forthcoming doomsday scenarios. You would have more to worry about such as disease, heat, starvation, lack of clean water, and war than you do having electricity to power 909s, iPods, and laptops.

It's also pretty ridiculous to link the fall of a corrupt ancient civilization to the popularity-loss of a genre of modern music.

[SlavikSvensk]

There's plenty of good stuff out there, what are you guys listening to that's so shit?

i DO like dust science...

[massplanck]

Sarcasm gets lost on a whole lot of people.

[MangaFish]

Sarcasm gets lost on a whole lot of people.

I got it:;

[prozac]

Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing techno move down to the BPM of like 115bpm jackin acid-house type tracks. Bring some old school flare, b-boy attitude, and 80s influence into the mix.

Belgian New Beat!
http://www.boomkat.com/item.cfm?id=18910
http://www.boomkat.com/item.cfm?id=22635

its all nostalgia tho, nothing new...


In the world of Italo/disco jacking chicago tracks mde a big comeback this year. Probably cause thats the avenue that legowelt explored. Artists like Dj Traxx and Mr.Fingers were rediscovered...

[Martin Dust]

Techno will all-ways be on the edge of the next page ;)

[Ritzi Lee]

I'd like to predict for the next couple of years:

- Soon, no label will release vinyl, because it doesn't sell.

- Record stores, specialized in underground dance music will all stop, or sell different stuff like little dolls or fashion and trends.

- Soon, techno music will only be heared at events. Or through free downloads of livesets from different artists.

- Artists who are already known, and know they have enough payed gigs a year, go on. Others who don't, look for something else to live on, or just are crazy enough to put all their money in their studios, because they don't care.

- DJ's / producers will join networks where they can share quality sounds and tracks they want, to play out at gigs. Or they can choose to stay individual and purely play their own exclusive stuff.

- Artists / labels / bookers / promotors must have 100% insight on all reliable sources on the digital highway.

- Publishers for techno music will have to revision their system, because as I pointed out in the first line, there are no records.

- Because of the change in the whole system, underground music events wont have to pay recettes anymore to the authorities. But they will still pay lot of other stuff. Eventually, legal events will have to professionalize like a fully functional company. But because we know they won't, that will also be over soon.

- Soon, all music professionals will have to organise general workshops discussing all the changes and the new rules this game. (promotions, marketing. compatibility of the system, how do we survive)

- Old markets disappear. New markets will be born.

[Aratron]

Considering the current trends in 'four-to-the -floor' kick-drum-orientated genres it is impossible to ignore the currently en-vogue electro-y house-y shit thats knockin arond these days which, with one quick browse on soulseek would seem to be very popular. With some tracks its evident the sound in its own right pays homage to some of the old minimal-y shit, but with splashes of the new style production like in flange-y hi-hats etc. etc.

[teknorich]

Modern day "minimal" comes form both techno and house, and you do find that a lot of it is the more house style (maybe as it has become more popular and "mainstream" thus house is more acceptable to the average listener than techno).
Personally I prefer the more techno end of minimal, such as Dapayk, Afternoon Cofee Boys, Camea, Tony Rohr, Sweet N Candy etc. Still comes under the umbrella term of Minimal, but definitely more from the techno end of the spectrum.