wheres the fat basslines gone

[rhythmtech]

if u look back, im sure ull realise that techno didnt become big because it was hard. it became big, because its emotions were strong. when there was no emotions left, just the hard punching kick and some empty melodies to fill the space around it - techno died out

m8.. i never once thought techno had to be hard.. in fact if i hear anything over 145 i start getting the shakes

i love melodic techno, i think that techno should have music to it. but what im saying is that musicians dont have to be accomplished musos to write a great tune. look at the punk scene.. some of my fave music ever has come from punk.. and bar 1 or 2 bands (subhumans for one) most punk bands played pretty simplistic stuff. it was about attitude and attitude coming across in music. i think hertz has a certain attitude to his music.. a lot of people will cite him as a favourite producer because of the amount of funk that he generates in a tune. he certainly isnt just a big kick and some loops.

i know this cause if he was i wouldnt be bothered listening.

[Lag]

m8.. i never once thought techno had to be hard.. in fact if i hear anything over 145 i start getting the shakes

i love melodic techno, i think that techno should have music to it. but what im saying is that musicians dont have to be accomplished musos to write a great tune. look at the punk scene.. some of my fave music ever has come from punk.. and bar 1 or 2 bands (subhumans for one) most punk bands played pretty simplistic stuff. it was about attitude and attitude coming across in music. i think hertz has a certain attitude to his music.. a lot of people will cite him as a favourite producer because of the amount of funk that he generates in a tune. he certainly isnt just a big kick and some loops.

i know this cause if he was i wouldnt be bothered listening.

punk is a music of vocals and attitude
it doesnt have to do anything with music
while techno, since its creatioin, was all about music
so you cant actually compare the two

and you keep missing the point. yes, hertz has melodies. yes, hertz is funky. but dude, its simple as it gets. as i said, its just tunes to fill the space around the kick.
u can sing out any hertz tune
try singing out james ruskin - profile =P

[rhythmtech]

im gonna back out of this now for 2 reasons.

a. i really cant get my head around your attitude. i love all types of techno. i dont discount any techno because of simplicity. if its good its good. simple.

and 2. im tired

[rhythmtech]

and techno is ALL about attitude. techno without attitude may aswell be pop music.

[dirty_bass]

techno is ALL about attitude.

As soon as you define it, and give it parameters, it stops becoming techno.
I think it should be fluid, constantly changing, and "futuristic" as EG likes to say.
To suggest it all should have attitude, takes away the stuff that works on a different level, the spacey stuff
the moody, downbeat stuff
the psychadelic
the laid back

It`s more than just attitude.

[rhythmtech]

As soon as you define it, and give it parameters, it stops becoming techno.
I think it should be fluid, constantly changing, and "futuristic" as EG likes to say.
To suggest it all should have attitude, takes away the stuff that works on a different level, the spacey
the moody, downbeat stuff
the psychadelic
the laid back

It`s more than just attitude.

attitude can be a lot of differant things. music can have a spacey attitude, a moody attitude, phychadelic attitude or a laid back attitude... dont take the meaning of the word in its literal sense.

and as soon as you stop putting parameters on something it stops being what it was and starts becoming something else, as much as that might upset your ideas about what techno should/shouldnt be, its the truth... if i make techno that has an electro arrangement, uses electro sounds and gets electro fans excited then surely i've just made electro?

if this isnt true then y did you publicly state something about you not making "techno" (cant remember the exact description you used for it)? surely then you can make what you want and its still techno?

[loopdon]

Now where have those fat basslines gone then? :)

[dirty_bass]

and as soon as you stop putting parameters on something it stops being what it was and starts becoming something else, as much as that might upset your ideas about what techno should/shouldnt be, its the truth... if i make techno that has an electro arrangement, uses electro sounds and gets electro fans excited then surely i've just made electro?

if this isnt true then y did you publicly state something about you not making "techno" (cant remember the exact description you used for it)? surely then you can make what you want and its still techno?

But tht`s the whole point. all definitions of techno are different to all people.
To the uninitiated, techno is any electronic music.
Then things get split and split and split.
If we go back to the pure sense, then only detroit is techno.
The point is, the fluidity.
I believe the intention of the originators was to make music that didn`t sound like anything else.

Now you have producers who commit to a sound.
They are trying to sound like techno, like chris liberator, like adam beyer, like glen wilson, like regis, like whoever.
That`s so totally NOT techno it`s unreal.
It`s the death of techno.
It`s when techno stops going anywhere, and stops being anything other than pop music.

So no, not putting parameters on it, keeps it what is was, and helps it to evolve and become something else.

Otherwise it stays the same.

Unfortunately, people are reluctant to accept change.
They will find a something they like, and then do it again and again and again.
As william Burroughs said
Human activity is drearily predictable.

I think the statement you were referring to, was me saying that making other types of music, allows you to learn other modes, and other techniques, which you can then re apply in an abstract/techno context/concept.

If you only make techno, listening to techno, thinking about techno, then what is your reference?

You become a washing machine, cleaning old dirty sheets, screwing yourself, and giving birth to cloned washing machine babies.

To absorb and reinterpret all forms of music and then twist this aqquired knowledge into a new, futuristic form, is techno.

Or you can just knock out another banger that entertains for 5 minutes, disapears into anonymity, and then just repeat the process. But don`t call it techno, because that is exactly the same model that drives the pop industry.

It`s called pop for a reason.
It appears, it floats around briefly, and then POP
it`s gone.