wheres the fat basslines gone

[rhythmtech]

As soon as you define it, and give it parameters, it stops becoming techno.
I think it should be fluid, constantly changing, and "futuristic" as EG likes to say.
To suggest it all should have attitude, takes away the stuff that works on a different level, the spacey
the moody, downbeat stuff
the psychadelic
the laid back

It`s more than just attitude.

attitude can be a lot of differant things. music can have a spacey attitude, a moody attitude, phychadelic attitude or a laid back attitude... dont take the meaning of the word in its literal sense.

and as soon as you stop putting parameters on something it stops being what it was and starts becoming something else, as much as that might upset your ideas about what techno should/shouldnt be, its the truth... if i make techno that has an electro arrangement, uses electro sounds and gets electro fans excited then surely i've just made electro?

if this isnt true then y did you publicly state something about you not making "techno" (cant remember the exact description you used for it)? surely then you can make what you want and its still techno?

[loopdon]

Now where have those fat basslines gone then? :)

[dirty_bass]

and as soon as you stop putting parameters on something it stops being what it was and starts becoming something else, as much as that might upset your ideas about what techno should/shouldnt be, its the truth... if i make techno that has an electro arrangement, uses electro sounds and gets electro fans excited then surely i've just made electro?

if this isnt true then y did you publicly state something about you not making "techno" (cant remember the exact description you used for it)? surely then you can make what you want and its still techno?

But tht`s the whole point. all definitions of techno are different to all people.
To the uninitiated, techno is any electronic music.
Then things get split and split and split.
If we go back to the pure sense, then only detroit is techno.
The point is, the fluidity.
I believe the intention of the originators was to make music that didn`t sound like anything else.

Now you have producers who commit to a sound.
They are trying to sound like techno, like chris liberator, like adam beyer, like glen wilson, like regis, like whoever.
That`s so totally NOT techno it`s unreal.
It`s the death of techno.
It`s when techno stops going anywhere, and stops being anything other than pop music.

So no, not putting parameters on it, keeps it what is was, and helps it to evolve and become something else.

Otherwise it stays the same.

Unfortunately, people are reluctant to accept change.
They will find a something they like, and then do it again and again and again.
As william Burroughs said
Human activity is drearily predictable.

I think the statement you were referring to, was me saying that making other types of music, allows you to learn other modes, and other techniques, which you can then re apply in an abstract/techno context/concept.

If you only make techno, listening to techno, thinking about techno, then what is your reference?

You become a washing machine, cleaning old dirty sheets, screwing yourself, and giving birth to cloned washing machine babies.

To absorb and reinterpret all forms of music and then twist this aqquired knowledge into a new, futuristic form, is techno.

Or you can just knock out another banger that entertains for 5 minutes, disapears into anonymity, and then just repeat the process. But don`t call it techno, because that is exactly the same model that drives the pop industry.

It`s called pop for a reason.
It appears, it floats around briefly, and then POP
it`s gone.

[rhythmtech]

so what do you suggest? that every track ever written should be completely alien to the last.. that the genre re-invent itself with every new release? cause if thats the case then techno will die ten times quicker then people claim it is doing right now..

like you said people are predictable, they like something to clutch to. listening to techno they are already on the edge of the "socially acceptable" music scene..

thing is db.. what if people actually like techno? what if the fans of techno listen and dance to it for a reason? are we really to be that arrogant to try and change their taste? to "educate"? i for one dont need educating when it comes to my musical tastes.. i prefer to discover for myself.. and there's plenty of differant styles of techno out there to discover..

to be honest you're sounding like someone who is bored with what techno is at the moment.. thats grand, maybe the current climate isnt for you.. but remember that theres millions more that love every minute of it.. and a lot of us have been loving it for years and years on end..

i've been a huge fan of the cure since i can remember.. also the banshees, sisters, nephilim... all placed in a similiar category.. all doing their perticular thing for years without much serious deviation.. yet each new album is something new.. the same but new... if i want something differant theres a million bands out there to provide it.

same as techno.. if a producer is good at one perticular style, and builds his sound around it without too much deviation, then so what.. theres endless amounts of producers out there who have a differant sound and tomorrow another million will pick up reason and start down the road...

techno isnt dying because of stagnation.. its dying because people are more interested in saying its dying than actually going out and enjoying the music.

[The Overfiend]

same as techno.. if a producer is good at one perticular style, and builds his sound around it without too much deviation, then so what.. theres endless amounts of producers out there who have a differant sound and tomorrow another million will pick up reason and start down the road...

techno isnt dying because of stagnation.. its dying because people are more interested in saying its dying than actually going out and enjoying the music.

MOTHERF*CKING ZZZZZING!
Thank you sir.
Could not have worded it any better myself.

[dirty_bass]

I think your making excuses for a lack of imagination by justifying someone who makes the same thing all the time.
Sure it`s fine, people will do so, but when things move on, THEY will be the people moaning about things aren`t like they used to be, or that things aren`t true to the origins or whatever.

Techno isn`t dying as such, it`s just that people are moving on, at the moment, people have moved on to the minimal/glitch sound. And already the moaners are there "oh minimal isn`t techno, blah blah"

It will move on again.

I`m not bored with techno as it is at all.
The new stuff is great.
I`m bored of the stuff that sounds like all the other records I have in my collection from 1999.
Why buy them again?

And to react in extremes by saying "that every track ever written should be completely alien to the last.. that the genre re-invent itself with every new release?"
C`mon man, your more intelligent than to make a reversal argument like that.

What I`m talking about is regurgitation, and you know exactly what I mean.

It`s not about massive extreme experimentation and change.
But it should at least be about going forwards at least a little bit.
Isn`t that what any decent musician wants to do?

It`s not even about "educating people" or forcing them to change.
I think it`s more about personal artistic development.

there`s just something inherently sad about artists churning out the same thing again and again.
The cure being a good example.

Of course, people will always like what they like. It`s a fair justification for anything you do (I mean the generic you, not YOU)

But then you have no right to slag off pop music, or any other.
Nor can you say that techno is "on the edge of the "socially acceptable" music scene".
If you place it in the same boat as all other music, then it is simply less popular, or less interesting, or less successful, than other music.


"techno isnt dying because of stagnation.. its dying because people are more interested in saying its dying than actually going out and enjoying the music."

If you truly believe this statement. You are mad.
I`m fairly sure this isn`t the reason it`s not as popular as it was in it`s heyday.
People make their own decision, and it seems a large percentage of fans moved on somewhere else.


Aaaaaanyway.

This has all gone into more of an artistic discussion.
Which comes back to musicianship.
Oh yeah
Fat Basslines?

Where are they?

Doing fine in the house and minimal scene.
But I think mainly they ran off and hid themselves on the dubstep scene.

Someone go and get them.

[loopdon]

MOTHERF*CKING ZZZZZING!
Thank you sir.
Could not have worded it any better myself.

Neither could i.

[DannyBlack]

my ma always said, "if you dont like the way something is, then quit your bitching and change it."

wise words.

[dirty_bass]

my ma always said, "if you dont like the way something is, then quit your bitching and change it."

wise words.

Exactly.

I`m not trying to be aggressive, the point I¬m trying to make, is that all the music we love and enjoy would never have come about without musical progression and experimentation.

Look back at acid techno for example.

Secret Hero : Control. Seminal acid london techno.

Now look at the latest Hydraulix.

Completely different, Henry is not making the same music he was in the early acid techno era.
He didn`t stand still, he progressed, found new sounds, new techniques, and put them to use to develop artistically.

And he is influential enough that many many people are trying to copy his sound.
But it is his sound, and I expect it will continue to change, and then people will imitate that sound.

So I think it`s about aspirations. Do you want to create something new, or just photocopy someone else plan?

I think musical progression is a necessity for any serious musician. Otherwise why make anything new at all?



I find it hard to believe I`m even having to argue the point FOR musical progression, in a techno forum.

this is a sad day.