wheres the fat basslines gone

[loopdon]

MOTHERF*CKING ZZZZZING!
Thank you sir.
Could not have worded it any better myself.

Neither could i.

[DannyBlack]

my ma always said, "if you dont like the way something is, then quit your bitching and change it."

wise words.

[dirty_bass]

my ma always said, "if you dont like the way something is, then quit your bitching and change it."

wise words.

Exactly.

I`m not trying to be aggressive, the point I¬m trying to make, is that all the music we love and enjoy would never have come about without musical progression and experimentation.

Look back at acid techno for example.

Secret Hero : Control. Seminal acid london techno.

Now look at the latest Hydraulix.

Completely different, Henry is not making the same music he was in the early acid techno era.
He didn`t stand still, he progressed, found new sounds, new techniques, and put them to use to develop artistically.

And he is influential enough that many many people are trying to copy his sound.
But it is his sound, and I expect it will continue to change, and then people will imitate that sound.

So I think it`s about aspirations. Do you want to create something new, or just photocopy someone else plan?

I think musical progression is a necessity for any serious musician. Otherwise why make anything new at all?



I find it hard to believe I`m even having to argue the point FOR musical progression, in a techno forum.

this is a sad day.

[rhythmtech]

i think your trying to over argue the point.. nobody is saying we shouldnt musically progress..

henry may have his own sound but then so do a lot of producers in the same genre.. doesnt mean that they're drastically differant from henry..

i personally dont think theres a glut of people trying to copy his sound at all.. i think theres a lot of people tryin to make techno that they know and a lot of people know his sound.. doesnt mean they're trying to imitate it, does it?

and to be honest control was hardly the firt acidtechno record to sound like it did.. and theres been labels b4 hydraulix that sound like hydraulix.. same as theres been labels that sound like dirty bass b4 dirtybass was around..

you seem to be forgetting that techno is reletivly young... it DOESNT need to change on such a fast scale.. i feel the opposite to you.. the music industry is too fickle.. always looking for something new.. so y not dig our heels in and keep making whatever we make instead of feeling the neccesity to change.. people will change when they progress.. but if you like something y change it just for the sake of progression? y not progress at your own rate? rock has been around 60-70 years now in some form or another... it hasnt drastically changed - can techno not be its own style without having to always be something else?

[dirty_bass]

But rock has changed.

Look at bands like Sigur Ross
Or Tool.

Sure there`s the crap that hasn`t changed.

But I`m sure you understand the point.

I thought techno was about the future?

Guess I was wrong huh?

[dirty_bass]

Your point about DB records is probably valid. There probably were other labels that sounded the same, but I was trying, at the very least, to mix commercial stuff, with harder stuff, to expose the commercial heads to the other stuff, on one label. I think as a whole the record label remained reasonably diverse though.
And now I`m moving on.
Dirty Bass is dead. I`m never releasing or recording a Dirty Bass track again. The record label will only continue with new artists I think who need a shot at a release. People who do something new.

[SlavikSvensk]

But rock has changed.

Look at bands like Sigur Ross
Or Tool.

Sure there`s the crap that hasn`t changed.

But I`m sure you understand the point.

I thought techno was about the future?

Guess I was wrong huh?

dude, i gotta back you up here.

techno is stale because of its inherent conservatism. YES there are people doing interesting stuff, but the audience of people who care keeps shrinking. many people out there only buy what they expect. that is, they only buy london acid techno or swedish hard techno or detroit techno or mnml or whatever. that's also the same as rock.

but rock is so much BIGGER than techno that it can deal with this situation much better. something that only attracts 1% of rock listeners still attracts a lot of people. something that attracts 1% of techno listeners...well...not so much.

people who listen to techno need to be more adventurous, i think. people who make techno should be more adventurous.

[rhythmtech]

but that whole idea smacks of elitism.

if somebody makes something and it sells and people enjoy it then who are we to put it down?

if i make a tune with one note and one sample and people buy it then nobody really has any right to criticise.. who are you dirtybass to say whats "good".. same as who am i tto say whats good? we're just insignificant dots on the techno map in reality... let people make what they make and woory bout you're own stuff rather than saying techno has to change.. what has to change are the people that are more concerned with change!!!