wheres the fat basslines gone

[rhythmtech]

but that whole idea smacks of elitism.

if somebody makes something and it sells and people enjoy it then who are we to put it down?

if i make a tune with one note and one sample and people buy it then nobody really has any right to criticise.. who are you dirtybass to say whats "good".. same as who am i tto say whats good? we're just insignificant dots on the techno map in reality... let people make what they make and woory bout you're own stuff rather than saying techno has to change.. what has to change are the people that are more concerned with change!!!

[loopdon]

Rhythmtech; I really don't want to get into any arguments that may or may not be going on in this thread.

Just one question: What do you mean by ''insignificant dots'' ? How is significance measured ? Significant in marketing terms/number of followers ?

Or more like: We're all part of something bigger?

[rhythmtech]

Rhythmtech; I really don't want to get into any arguments that may or may not be going on in this thread.

Just one question: What do you mean by ''insignificant dots'' ? How is significance measured ? Significant in marketing terms/number of followers ?

Or more like: We're all part of something bigger?

hahaha

i meant we're all just dots that make the scene.. we'll come and go but the music will (hopefully) still be here

[rhythmtech]

and loopdon.. i dont think there is any arguements going on here..

just that i know im right and everyone else is wrong... obviously :briggin:

[loopdon]

and loopdon.. i dont think there is any arguements going on here..

just that i know im right and everyone else is wrong... obviously :briggin:

haha

[eyeswithoutaface]

talk about going round in circles.

The sooner alot of people detach their own personal outlook on the scene and what they want out of the scene from whats ACTUALLY happening in the scene, the better. This is essential, in my opinion of course, in order to gain the full wider picture.

I see and accept both arguements here, i agree that techno drastically needs to move on in alot of areas, but i also do agree that a person has the right to make whatever they like, of course, that's a basic human right, but when there are so many people evidently doing this, then that's where the problem arises. It happened with the big Primate inspired loop thing off the late 90's, schranz, minimal etc etc and eventually it does back to bite people on the ass, and after a while, at some point, you wake up and it's like an epiphany, a frigging realisation that infact, alot of the music that i do love and have spent the past ten years of my life dedicated to, does in fact sound very similiar!

This is usually a turning point, it certainly was for me. It was the day i realised the word techno is probably the most overused, most misunderstood and most widely unappreciated feeling, yes that's right feeling, that i have felt. That's when i started to appreciate the actual ethos of techno and not the practical meaning associated with it i.e just because its on Primate or bangs like a shit house door doesnt make it techno. Just because a record is shelved under the techno section of a record store doesnt make it techno.

I went off alot of artists when i started thinking like this, and in turn discovered a ton of new, interesting, fresh, to me, artists that the term techno was, again to me, practically invented for. Music that can be appreciated at the front of Voodoo at 3am or infront of my tv set at 5pm.

Techno is to each person whatever they want it to be, thats something no one can deny or say is wrong to say basically. But with elements such as sales, promotion, running labels etc getting harder and tighter with everyday, i personally believe everyone has to raise the bar that little higher if they want out of the scene what they expect. If you just keep rolling the same record out month after month, with the same sounds, the same structure, the same patterns etc etc then you will eventually end up in a bigger loop than the records one is putting out

[SlavikSvensk]

but that whole idea smacks of elitism.

if somebody makes something and it sells and people enjoy it then who are we to put it down?

if i make a tune with one note and one sample and people buy it then nobody really has any right to criticise.. who are you dirtybass to say whats "good".. same as who am i tto say whats good? we're just insignificant dots on the techno map in reality... let people make what they make and woory bout you're own stuff rather than saying techno has to change.. what has to change are the people that are more concerned with change!!!

yes it is elitist, but i'm totally shameless about being a techno elitist. dirtybass even more so :)

seriously, though...the problem is, in part, that very little sells well. and what does isn't long-term sustainable. that is, it doesn't keep the style healthy and innovative.

don't you think the innovation is what propels the genre forward? as db said, this is future music. not all of it needs to be 14/9 dubsteb (hehe divide), but good innovation a) trickles down to everyone else and b) gets new people involved. even if the percentage of innovative and adventurous techno increased from 1% to 20%, that would be a huge step.

if all records today sound like all records 3 years ago, why should people buy today's records if they already have 3 years ago's records?

[dirty_bass]

Phuck it, lets just make pop
Somebody get me a half starved chick who can mime.

[audioinjection]

geez, reading all this complaining about techno is really depressing.....of course there's gonna be people complaining but why not just love (or leave) techno the way it is........think about when there wasn't forums to talk about this stuff, techno changed and we accepted it (or left it)

im all for discussion, but i feel the love for techno is lost because of internet drama IMO

[Little_Fella!]

Yowzer...!

What a great thread...

Been away from it 4a bit so I'm glad i caught this one...:)

I reckon this thread should be saved some where & then re-post the whole lot in a couple years time - so we can reflect...

Marvelous...

[Little_Fella!]

On topic...

Yeah, yeah... I couldn't agree more - I love bass frequencies...

There's nowt like having to deal with a rip-roaring bassline, in the middle of that dancefloor, just when all things are heading in different directions and colliding at the same time...

It actually does something to the core of your soul... :psy:

[dirty_bass]

There`s no argument, it`s just a discussion.
What else are we gonna talk about in here.
It`d be boring if we all bent over and gave each other a reach around.

[loopdon]

geez, reading all this complaining about techno is really depressing.....of course there's gonna be people complaining but why not just love (or leave) techno the way it is........think about when there wasn't forums to talk about this stuff, techno changed and we accepted it (or left it)

im all for discussion, but i feel the love for techno is lost because of internet drama IMO

I agree. Might be me but i didn't feel well reading all this.
I am one of those type of people who thinks to much about stuff anyways.

In addition to that, the patronizing tendencies (to me at least) that always start flowing through threads like this leave me bewildered. Some people must honestly think the way they view techno is the only one.

I have, as many others here, listened to what i'd call techno and electronica for about half of my life if not more. While i am open other people's opinions, to tips what artists i should/could check out etc. and change in general i really don't want to be force-educated etc.

I think for myself, thanks.

[rhythmtech]

well said LD