On a more serious note: Petition against new licensing laws for 'Live' Acts

[Little_Fella!]

Don't know if you guys have done this already but I got this off Tech from the Level-1 website...

The Government have recently passed laws in the UK to try and suppress live
music and dance. Pubs which could previously offer work to solo singers or
duos now have to pay for a special licence and can only have 12 of these per
year. Even school Xmas concerts need to be licensed.

If you don't know there is a UK government web site where anyone can now
start a petition and that's what is being done. we've just received the
following email which explains things more clearly and gives the site
address . If you care about keeping music live please take the time to sign
the petition.

Subject: Music/Licensing Laws - Official Downing Street petition

Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 12:36:37

Please circulate

The live music/licensing e-petition now has nearly 4550 signatures.
It currently stands at no.17 in the list of 1,702 petitions on the
Number 10 website: http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/licensing/

This is good, especially in just under a month - and there are five
more months in which people can sign. (CLOSING DATE: 11 June 2007).
But the petition needs to do much better to make an impression on ministers,
and to encourage DCMS to implement music-friendly amendments.

The petition is for everyone, not just musicians. Please consider
signing if you haven't already done so. If you have signed, encourage
friends to sign.

Points to remember about the new legislation:

a.. The unlicensed provision of even one musician is a potential
criminal offence (although some places are exempt, including places of
public religious worship, royal palaces and moving vehicles). Max penalty:
£20,000 fine and six months in prison.

b.. The rationale is to prevent noise, crime and disorder, to ensure public
safety, and the protection of children from harm.

c.. But broadcast entertainment, including sport and music, is exempt - no
matter where, and no matter how powerfully amplified.

d.. In the transition to the new regime, bars with jukeboxes, CD
players etc were automatically granted a license to play recorded
music; but their automatic entitlement to one or two musicians was
abolished.

e.. For the first time, private performances raising money for charity are
licensable.

f.. School performances open to friends and family are licensable -
they count as public performances.

g.. Under the old regime all premises licensed to sell alcohol for
consumption on the premises were automatically allowed up to two live
musicians (the 'two in a bar rule').

h.. In December, DCMS published research confirming that about 40% of these
have lost any automatic entitlement to live music as a result of the new
Act:

'Very few establishments that wanted a new license were denied it, and many
who were previously limited to 2-in-a-bar now have the ability to stage
music with 2 or more musicians... This contrasts, of course, with the fact
that 40% of establishments now have no automatic means of putting on live
music (i.e. they would have to give a TEN).'

['Licensing Act 2003: The experience of smaller establishments in
applying for live music authorization'; December 2006', paragraphs
6.1.1 and 6.1.2 'Conclusions', p54; Caroline Callahan, Andy Martin,
Anna Pierce, Ipsos-MORI]

'TEN' stands for Temporary Event Notice - in effect a temporary
entertainment licence. Only 12 are allowed per premises per year.
They cost £21 each.

link to sign petition is here..

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/licensing/

I know this if for England and Wales at the moment but how long before we
get hit with something like this too in Scotland. This applies to everyone.

Thanks everyone. Please email this to everyone you know, post it on other
forums, myspce it, whatever you can do.
__________________

[Little_Fella!]

There's over 12,000 signed up so far now...

Oh yeah, the link for Level-1 is :http://www.level-1.org.uk/

Wonder how many there will be by July and, more to the point, if it makes any difference at all...

Horrid gits...

[Ritzi Lee]

I wish I could sign the petition.
But it's only for English seated people ofcourse.
But such a law can easely be transfered to the Netherlands if this goes through.

[dirty_bass]

this is just soooo shite.
The rationale makes absolutely zero sense.
Why do we need the law?
Again it`s the government criminilising the bejaviour of normal law abiding people.
Utter shite.
YOU WILL NOT HAVE FUN
unless you pay.
Go home, suck up the crap we feed you on TV, or listen to our government approved musical broadcasts.
I`m still waiting for my barcode tattoo.

Screw this country.

[Tyrisia]

Screw this country.

On so many different levels that is the most sense I've read on this board all week. The whole shebang has had it.

What the hell do they think they're doing now? The whole thing is senseless, I don't do politics but right now I wish I did, just so I could fathom the logic..

[force]

I'm out of this shit hole as soon as feasably possible.

[crime]

it always gets me, being a british person living abroad, how people always assume that it's only britain that has stupid laws, and how everything would be better if you lived somewhere else.. the grasn't isnt greener on the other side, I can tell you from experience, not to knock where I live now, but it's swings and roundabouts, there are benefits & drawbacks to any place..

you think britain is a police state? well when you move house in britain are you required by law to register your new address to the police/local authority? thought not, but you do in pretty much every other country in europe..
you have a law where it's a criminal offence to "insult the president"? no, thought not, but that's the law here in Poland..

just a couple of examples, I just think it's a case of same shit different place to be honest..
I mean by all means, go for it, move to another country, I mean, I've benefitted from my exile, but by no means think it's a quick fix cure all solutions.. people have problems everywhere

[TechMouse]

well when you move house in britain are you required by law to register your new address to the police/local authority?

Technically speaking you're supposed to get yourself on the electoral register and pay council tax.

You can get fined for not doing either of these things, but I'm sceptical as to whether they actively police it or not.

Given my experiences of actually trying to pay council tax in Nottingham I wouldn't blame anyone for f*cking it off.

[MITA]

true,true

[MITA]

@ crime's post

[DannyBlack]

i put my name on it. f**king slags aint gonna take my fun.

[TechMouse]

i put my name on it.

[DannyBlack]

put my name on it. f**king slags aint taking my fun.

[DannyBlack]

i was just thinking that ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! george foreskin.

[TechMouse]

george foreskin.

Who'd buy a George Foreskin Grill?

Sounds painful.

[dan the acid man]

signed this the other week

[romelpotter]

this is tosh, i agree with db's post entirly. 1984 anyone!!!

FTS.

i have signed and I will pass it on to all of my muscial contacts

[Little_Fella!]

On so many different levels that is the most sense I've read on this board all week. The whole shebang has had it.

What the hell do they think they're doing now? The whole thing is senseless, I don't do politics but right now I wish I did, just so I could fathom the logic..

The more I think about it the worse it is... We been discussing the future machinations of techno but this crap will affect every musical genre that bears its roots in its own underground culture...

This means that it will styfle all musical development coz there's no way of legally playing it to an audience...

I envisage the music industry creating a pretend 'manafactured' underground, thats been bought and paid for, which has much more of a strangle hold than it does already..!!

Revolution!! Where's my Noam Chomsky t-shirt....!?!

[Komplex]

time to start wearing those Guy fawkes masks and blowing shit up over there ;)

[jk_scowling]

I signed it, but I don't know what good it'll do alongside the heavyweight issues of "stop inheritance tax" and "don't start road pricing". We need to get the Daily Mail on board maybe? :;