all very good advice, thanks guys, and actually just realizing the fact that I need to change the way I was lookin at things was a big help in itself, after posting, I spent half the night constructing a great loop out of the ashes of pure chod, sod's law I know.

Maybe I just hit a dry spot, but I tried some stuff I hadn't tried in ages, and got a whole new direction. It's like I've been dismissing the ways of workin I used to have when I first started as amaturish, without realising that I can now take those old ideas and ways, and add far more to them than I could ever have done previously.

I'm more charged up to get this pa sorted than I have been in a while, so just shows, it's good to talk:)