RIP Acid Techno?

[paulcortex]

its good to see that this post is getting plenty of attention...especially as this is the acid forum!

...we are all very passionate about our music and should be all pulling together and trying to nurture and expand the scene...
acid techno certainly aint dead...and, yeah the old artists who influenced us all are probably sick to death of programming that 303 sequence...and with release catalogues like Henry,Guy,Chris et all have, its easy to see why they might be tired of the acid sound...im sure they still have plenty of good solid acid techno in em yet though! (Henry...why dont you release the stuff of the live techno bollocks set...its ****ing amazing!!!! ;) )

...to tell you the truth...i used to dj but got bored of a lot of the releases coming out and decided to concentrate on my producing, i think due to the sheer number of people producing now and the fact that it soooooo much easier to knock a quick track up (no a good one however) because of easier to use programs and the vast amount of vstis and synths about the place...this has lead to a saturation of music available to us all...and not all of it is good!

...for me...its all about the dancefloor...sod the latest sub genre or pigeon hole!!! i write music that i can shake my own ass to...and i generally do jump about my studio like a demented muppet lol
...and if i can shake my ass to it the chances are...the punters will be able to ass shake too...ya get me?

...so its that simple for me...im not really into earning money from what im doing...its something i love doing...just for the love of it...i love acid music period!
sure im putting an l.p of new acid artists together in the very near future...but im doing this for acid music...i dont expect to get anything from the release...just satisfaction that i have had my input into a scene that i am so passionate about and has given me so many pleasurable moments :)

[dirty_bass]

@ dirtybass

im sorry but thats toss.

there are plenty of producers new & old doing the acid thing and doing it very well. the "oldschool" producers might not be as inventive as they were at one stage but they still come up with some classics now and again..

just look at route 59, suf 87, suf 84, suf 82 (to name but a few) & tunes like DTD's "hotwire" on infectious clearly show that acid CAN cross over into differant genres and still be outstanding.

to say that theres only 1 (new) producer doing it well is a serious insult to the likes of dogwash, KN, rhythm logistics, AP, myself or anyone else that is doing their thing (im not taking anything away from paul - he does it very well & is definitly up there).

but as with everything else the public vote with their feet and they're still voting acid..

Toss to you, truth to me.

I don`t see anyone making good acid techno.
Just my opinion.

There`s some good techno on some of those labels, but it isn`t acid.

[acidguru]

...for me...its all about the dancefloor...sod the latest sub genre or pigeon hole!!! i write music that i can shake my own ass to...and i generally do jump about my studio like a demented muppet lol
...and if i can shake my ass to it the chances are...the punters will be able to ass shake too...ya get me?

...so its that simple for me...im not really into earning money from what im doing...its something i love doing...just for the love of it...i love acid music period!
sure im putting an l.p of new acid artists together in the very near future...but im doing this for acid music...i dont expect to get anything from the release...just satisfaction that i have had my input into a scene that i am so passionate about and has given me so many pleasurable moments :) Hats off,M8,that´s a great attitude,and that kind of enthusiasm will keep the vibe and the spirit of Acid Techno alive forever!Cheers

[Aratron]

...for me...its all about the dancefloor...sod the latest sub genre or pigeon hole!!! i write music that i can shake my own ass to...and i generally do jump about my studio like a demented muppet lol
...and if i can shake my ass to it the chances are...the punters will be able to ass shake too...ya get me?

...so its that simple for me...im not really into earning money from what im doing...its something i love doing...just for the love of it...i love acid music period!
sure im putting an l.p of new acid artists together in the very near future...but im doing this for acid music...i dont expect to get anything from the release...just satisfaction that i have had my input into a scene that i am so passionate about and has given me so many pleasurable moments :) Hats off,M8,that´s a great attitude,and that kind of enthusiasm will keep the vibe and the spirit of Acid Techno alive forever!Cheers

nice one mate

[rhythmtech]

Toss to you, truth to me.

I don`t see anyone making good acid techno.
Just my opinion.

There`s some good techno on some of those labels, but it isn`t acid.

exactly.. its just your opinion. and considering you seem to have the same opinion about most techno then y not just give it a rest?

for years the acid scene has endured bad attitude from techno "purists" and "elitists" (elitists is your own description of yourself in another thread remember). but having been involved in this perticular scene, you surely should know that the purist and elitist opinion isnt worth a toss.

[Aratron]

exactly.. its just your opinion. and considering you seem to have the same opinion about most techno then y not just give it a rest?

for years the acid scene has endured bad attitude from techno "purists" and "elitists" (elitists is your own description of yourself in another thread remember). but having been involved in this perticular scene, you surely should know that the purist and elitist opinion isnt worth a toss.

*puts another log on the fire

[dirty_bass]

exactly.. its just your opinion. and considering you seem to have the same opinion about most techno then y not just give it a rest?

for years the acid scene has endured bad attitude from techno "purists" and "elitists" (elitists is your own description of yourself in another thread remember). but having been involved in this perticular scene, you surely should know that the purist and elitist opinion isnt worth a toss.

I musta really got your goat up huh?

I don`t have the same opinions about techno at all.

I love what I love.

this is a forum, and it`s for discussion.

As far as I remember we are all free to have an opinion.

Mine disagrees with your opinion, but there`s no reason to get all stroppy, I mean really, I thought acid techno people were supposed to have a sense of humour and fun? compared to all us miserable techno people.

shouldn`t you be shouting something about "it`s not intelligent, and it`s not from detroit, but it`s ****ing having it" ?

I dunno, I`m off to polish my elitist badge.

[acidguru]

...for me...its all about the dancefloor...sod the latest sub genre or pigeon hole!!! i write music that i can shake my own ass to...and i generally do jump about my studio like a demented muppet lol
...and if i can shake my ass to it the chances are...the punters will be able to ass shake too...ya get me?

...so its that simple for me...im not really into earning money from what im doing...its something i love doing...just for the love of it...i love acid music period!
sure im putting an l.p of new acid artists together in the very near future...but im doing this for acid music...i dont expect to get anything from the release...just satisfaction that i have had my input into a scene that i am so passionate about and has given me so many pleasurable moments :) Hats off,M8,that´s a great attitude,and that kind of enthusiasm will keep the vibe and the spirit of Acid Techno alive forever!Cheers

Just wanna say that my reply starts after the smiley,the rest of it is from Paul Cortex´post,did some bad editing on this one

[Aratron]

Just wanna say that my reply starts after the smiley,the rest of it is from Paul Cortex´post,did some bad editing on this one

i still got it

[stjohn]

im going to throw in my two sense for what its worth! :mrmyagi:

I was virgin enough to not know what the feck acid techno was, when i was first introduced to dance music, i just went out and bought what i liked. It meant that I ended up with chunky house, Mauro Picotto on a techno tip, Cluster records that wonked the shit out of itself, aswell as loads of other banging shit.

I dint know the name for it, but i knew i liked it... each track had something fresh from the last which made it stand out from all the rest, and i think thats where Dirty Bass's point is coming from.

So much stuff... as much as it is a good tune, that will make the heads bop on a dance floor, is just revisiting old ground! Good ground, but old ground ye know? And punters, be it vinyl buyers or whtever, listen might listen to a record and say... "nice tune, but i have 50 like it at home", its what i say when im buying records.

Im not aiming this at acid techno btw, coz if that old Cluster shit is acid techno, then i love acid techno... this is music all over, but it has a distinct resonance in techno and similar styles, due to the nature of the market

but i know you lads are well able come up with the goods ;) you never know i might come up with some acid stuff one of these days!!

[rhythmtech]

I musta really got your goat up huh?

I don`t have the same opinions about techno at all.

I love what I love.

this is a forum, and it`s for discussion.

As far as I remember we are all free to have an opinion.

Mine disagrees with your opinion, but there`s no reason to get all stroppy, I mean really, I thought acid techno people were supposed to have a sense of humour and fun? compared to all us miserable techno people.

shouldn`t you be shouting something about "it`s not intelligent, and it`s not from detroit, but it`s ****ing having it" ?

I dunno, I`m off to polish my elitist badge.

its not about getting my goat up.. its about you going around disprespecting people that put work into what they love. its perfectly acceptable to have an opinion on something but theres a way to deliver it and IMO your delivery is quite crass and disrespectful (just my opinion of course)

[dan the acid man]

Covering yourself by putting IMO after something is worthless really when you think about it, everything we say or write on here is only our opinion.

We've had this discussion alot on here, i agree with alot of what Steve has said, it's easy to see why the london producers have changed, if they hadn't im sure alot of people here would be saying " why does *insert name here* always produce in the same style.

[rhythmtech]

the IMO was ironic/sarcasm.. whichever fits best :briggin:

and its not about london producers that i disagree.. its saying that 1 perticular producer is the only one making anything good.. clearly this isnt the case, or the labels wouldnt exist.

as the saying goes - opinions are like arseholes, everyone has one... doesnt really mean i wanna go round staring up every ugly arsehole that i see though

[dirty_bass]

. clearly this isnt the case, or the labels wouldnt exist.

dangerous turf there

In my opinion Westlife make nothing but purile shite.
But their label still exists, and sells loads.

I`m not in dispute over the wether the records are good or not anyway.

They just aren`t acid techno, not to me.

But hey, what does it matter what I think really.

everyone is gonna play follow the leader regardless.

[rhythmtech]

dangerous turf? why? because labels sell?

"They just aren`t acid techno, not to me." - who decides what acid techno is? weren't you the one who was all for change? all for music moving forward?

maybe acid techno is still acid techno, maybe you've lost sight of what it is today?

i'm not saying its all amazing.. but it never was ALL amazing.. sometimes i think there's too much looking back at the hayday with rose tinted specs..

i was there in 97/98 just the same as you and a lot of people here were.. and believe me from where i was standing there were some right duffer tracks sitting alongside the topclass ones.. not much has changed. in every scene there's always gonna be good and bad.. and funnily enough everyones idea of good and bad are differant.

case in point - that "infect me with your love"

not my kinda tune at all, never played it, never will. but i've seen a dnacefloor lose it proper to that tune.. i've seen people with the same look on their face as i had the first tme i headr a cosmic trigger tune or a&e dept..

so looking at that, to me, the music is still doing the business.. which means that , harping back to the "its not intelligent.." ethos, the arguement here is futile for 2 reasons

1. im stoned

&

2. i've totally lost my train of thought

[dirty_bass]

I think I was on that train, but I was hiding in the toilet, cos I didn`t have a ticket.
But someone with diaohrea wanted in, and just as I left, the ticket inspector got me, and chucked me of at Woking.
Which is a hideous place to be at this time of thought.

[conor256]

*news bulletin just come in.........


acid techno is alive and kicking ...... its hiding out in the tora bora mountains with osama bin laden!! rave in a cave!!! ;)

[Little_Fella!]

Went with Paul Cortex to a club in Reading, where he was playin, called Plug n Play...

Started off with an hour of hard dance, then it was straight into acid techno, all the way...:)

Looked at each other sayin, 'recognise this tune- recognise that tune..'.. People jumpin around all over, all quite young so were all quite fresh with it...

The girl who's night it was loves acid techno with a driving passion n said it was the only reason she was putting these nights on, so that she can hear it in it's right environment..

Good stuff.... n not a jaded palett in the place:exclaim:

[Trip Head]

[QUOTE=stjohn;507630]So much stuff... as much as it is a good tune, that will make the heads bop on a dance floor, is just revisiting old ground! Good ground, but old ground ye know? And punters, be it vinyl buyers or whtever, listen might listen to a record and say... "nice tune, but i have 50 like it at home", its what i say when im buying records.QUOTE]

Totally agree with that

[paulcortex]

i guess it depends where your coming from...

...if your the record buying "punter" then you are generally expecting fresh, good quality tunes, that push the boundaries.

...the record buying "punter" then will either remain a record buying
audiophile or have aspirations to become a dj or a producer...

...if your the producer (and i think theres 2 types)...

1) The "career" producer...he follows the current trends and
genres closely and writes music from the heart but with a
consumer friendly sound...hoping to sell his music and
earn a living from it...he supplies the record buying "punter"
and the dj's.

2) The "artist" producer...he ignores the latest trends and genres
and spends his hours in the studio writing music he enjoys
listening to aswell as playing...developing his sound...usually
being skint...and eating fishfingers from netto!

...The big question is...who will continue to produce for the longest
and who will get the most pleasure from his art???

...im sort of in a dilema...because i love writing my music and developing my sound...but in the "real" world where money is everything and rent has to be payed...its tough....i want to play as many gigs as possible and travel the world doing it if possible...but in reality, you aint gonna get a gig unless you release some vinyl...which is where the problem comes in....do i write a few tracks that i know will sell....but wont be true to what i enjoy writing,sort of selling out....or do i continue doing what i do and hope that what im doing catches on and starts to sell???