RIP Acid Techno?

[lunatrick]

that hads it's time and place......a good place admittedly, but you can't recreate spontaneous events..........we're all getting older - how many young kids in techno will remember and spout on about current tunes which in their minds will be seminal and crucial? Si mutate into the future and produce the sound which you obviously think is missing from the scene, and bring on the new wave!

[dirty_bass]

I see ot like this.
And don`t all you acid heads jump on me, Acid is my roots in temrs of techno.
It got me into techno, it got me into squat parties, and in fact I ended up putting on very large illegal acid techno raves myself in london because of it, as one of the soundsystems in United Systems (ahhh the good old days).
So I don`t hate it.

All good music is born out of passion and a wave of energy and emotion.
The early years of acid techno, all the guys were riding their wave, it was fresh, it was it`s own sound, and they were the kings of it.

Now 10 years down the road, do you really expect them to be able to make the same music with the same passion?
They gotta move on, if they had that creative and original spark in the first place then they will naturally move on and explore.

I think Henry`s new stuff is great, it`s not acid techno, but it`s great, and it`s his thing, and still spawns many imitators.
Same with Julian etc.

However, the acid labels have a legacy and need to stay within that niche in this market, so the acid releases especially on SUF seemed to get more and more derivative, and lacking passion, bar the odd cheeky comedy tune.

In a way, it looks to me, to keep sales up, elements of hard house and hard dance started getting absorbed.
So it was no longer it`s own thing. It wasn`t acid techno, it was a little brother of hard dance.

I think acid techno at it`s best was pretty stripped down music, with or without 303`s it tended to be reasonably minimal, but still very hard.

I don`t think Acid techno is dead, I think the creators have moved on, and find it difficult to inject passion into it when they do do it.
However, money and status probably comes into it too, people need to pay the rent etc.

I think some new bloody is needed.
At the mo, the only fresh talent I see on the labels is made by people who are mimicking their heroes anyway, so it still sounds derivative and hard dancey Maybe again this is a play safe option, I don`t know.

There`s got to be some messed up, twisted and disturbing producers out there making fresh acid techno.
The music used to be so disturbing at times, frenetic without being cheesy or predictable, it was a head**** unto itself without the aid of drugs.
Early route releases were just evil. Mushrooms on daleks etc, there was a definite psychadelic edge too, which seems to have vanished.
There was also a stark emotional beauty sometimes, look at Ice, by Carbine.
Cluster had it`s own, really messed up version of techno, which now seems to have blended in with the harder end of techno in general.
It no longer stands apart.

There must be a talent pool out there.
Dammit, they should be sending their stuff to SUF HQ.

the only person I`ve encountered on my travels who comes close to capturing the old spirit of acid techno, without being a rip off artist, is Paul Cortex.

I know the guy, and you pretty much can`t find anyone more into the spirit of that music than him.
If you see his name on a roster, and you like acid techno I seriously suggest you go see his live Pa.

Acid isn`t dead, it`s resting for a bit, waiting for the next generation of kids to get sicked with the emo fed clubscene, and the tightening laws against fun.

I`m sure their will be a new generation of free partis some time within the next few years to fual it.

[rhythmtech]

@ dirtybass

im sorry but thats toss.

there are plenty of producers new & old doing the acid thing and doing it very well. the "oldschool" producers might not be as inventive as they were at one stage but they still come up with some classics now and again..

just look at route 59, suf 87, suf 84, suf 82 (to name but a few) & tunes like DTD's "hotwire" on infectious clearly show that acid CAN cross over into differant genres and still be outstanding.

to say that theres only 1 (new) producer doing it well is a serious insult to the likes of dogwash, KN, rhythm logistics, AP, myself or anyone else that is doing their thing (im not taking anything away from paul - he does it very well & is definitly up there).

but as with everything else the public vote with their feet and they're still voting acid..

[dirty_bass]

@ dirtybass

im sorry but thats toss.

there are plenty of producers new & old doing the acid thing and doing it very well. the "oldschool" producers might not be as inventive as they were at one stage but they still come up with some classics now and again..

just look at route 59, suf 87, suf 84, suf 82 (to name but a few) & tunes like DTD's "hotwire" on infectious clearly show that acid CAN cross over into differant genres and still be outstanding.

to say that theres only 1 (new) producer doing it well is a serious insult to the likes of dogwash, KN, rhythm logistics, AP, myself or anyone else that is doing their thing (im not taking anything away from paul - he does it very well & is definitly up there).

but as with everything else the public vote with their feet and they're still voting acid..

Toss to you, truth to me.

I don`t see anyone making good acid techno.
Just my opinion.

There`s some good techno on some of those labels, but it isn`t acid.

[rhythmtech]

Toss to you, truth to me.

I don`t see anyone making good acid techno.
Just my opinion.

There`s some good techno on some of those labels, but it isn`t acid.

exactly.. its just your opinion. and considering you seem to have the same opinion about most techno then y not just give it a rest?

for years the acid scene has endured bad attitude from techno "purists" and "elitists" (elitists is your own description of yourself in another thread remember). but having been involved in this perticular scene, you surely should know that the purist and elitist opinion isnt worth a toss.

[Aratron]

exactly.. its just your opinion. and considering you seem to have the same opinion about most techno then y not just give it a rest?

for years the acid scene has endured bad attitude from techno "purists" and "elitists" (elitists is your own description of yourself in another thread remember). but having been involved in this perticular scene, you surely should know that the purist and elitist opinion isnt worth a toss.

*puts another log on the fire

[dirty_bass]

exactly.. its just your opinion. and considering you seem to have the same opinion about most techno then y not just give it a rest?

for years the acid scene has endured bad attitude from techno "purists" and "elitists" (elitists is your own description of yourself in another thread remember). but having been involved in this perticular scene, you surely should know that the purist and elitist opinion isnt worth a toss.

I musta really got your goat up huh?

I don`t have the same opinions about techno at all.

I love what I love.

this is a forum, and it`s for discussion.

As far as I remember we are all free to have an opinion.

Mine disagrees with your opinion, but there`s no reason to get all stroppy, I mean really, I thought acid techno people were supposed to have a sense of humour and fun? compared to all us miserable techno people.

shouldn`t you be shouting something about "it`s not intelligent, and it`s not from detroit, but it`s ****ing having it" ?

I dunno, I`m off to polish my elitist badge.

[rhythmtech]

I musta really got your goat up huh?

I don`t have the same opinions about techno at all.

I love what I love.

this is a forum, and it`s for discussion.

As far as I remember we are all free to have an opinion.

Mine disagrees with your opinion, but there`s no reason to get all stroppy, I mean really, I thought acid techno people were supposed to have a sense of humour and fun? compared to all us miserable techno people.

shouldn`t you be shouting something about "it`s not intelligent, and it`s not from detroit, but it`s ****ing having it" ?

I dunno, I`m off to polish my elitist badge.

its not about getting my goat up.. its about you going around disprespecting people that put work into what they love. its perfectly acceptable to have an opinion on something but theres a way to deliver it and IMO your delivery is quite crass and disrespectful (just my opinion of course)