this is a new low

[dirty_bass]

There`s some double standards in here.
I mean, this`ll probably sell loads, and the feet will be moving on the dancefloor.
So what`s the problem?

[djfilthmonger]

i think the problem is that it is giving schranz a bad name there some good choons out there , fair enough i dont listen much anymore but i still like a bit of it, but these bootlegs wtf?

[The Overfiend]

There`s some double standards in here.
I mean, this`ll probably sell loads, and the feet will be moving on the dancefloor.
So what`s the problem?

Where's Steve and what have you done with him.

[dirty_bass]

Where's Steve and what have you done with him.

I guess you don`t understand saracsm.

It is the lowest form of wit you know.

There`s always discussions in this place about techno, and how some music is ok, and others is a sell out, and then people justify shit by citing record sales or the amount of people dancing or whatever.

So I say, yeah, ok, but then you gotta suck up shit like this record, cos it`s just as valid as any other crap if you justify things by sales and moving feet.

So what the hell, more records like this please.

why not?

[rhythmtech]

I guess you don`t understand saracsm.

It is the lowest form of wit you know.

There`s always discussions in this place about techno, and how some music is ok, and others is a sell out, and then people justify shit by citing record sales or the amount of people dancing or whatever.

So I say, yeah, ok, but then you gotta suck up shit like this record, cos it`s just as valid as any other crap if you justify things by sales and moving feet.

So what the hell, more records like this please.

why not?

my point was nothing to do with sales on this thread.. and all to do with how shite i think the actual record is as a piece of music.

[The Overfiend]

I guess you don`t understand saracsm.

It is the lowest form of wit you know.

There`s always discussions in this place about techno, and how some music is ok, and others is a sell out, and then people justify shit by citing record sales or the amount of people dancing or whatever.

So I say, yeah, ok, but then you gotta suck up shit like this record, cos it`s just as valid as any other crap if you justify things by sales and moving feet.

So what the hell, more records like this please.

why not?

Wow, I guess I don't I must be like a mental midget or something to your Socrates.
I'll digress now with the rest of my monkey friends.
(insert Tarzan call here)

[BRADLEE]

I guess you don`t understand saracsm.

It is the lowest form of wit you know.

There`s always discussions in this place about techno, and how some music is ok, and others is a sell out, and then people justify shit by citing record sales or the amount of people dancing or whatever.

So I say, yeah, ok, but then you gotta suck up shit like this record, cos it`s just as valid as any other crap if you justify things by sales and moving feet.

So what the hell, more records like this please.

why not?

I think what Tony meant is that the comment wasn't something you'd normally say homie. That's why he was asking if you got kidknapped Steve. At least that's how I read into things.

[dirty_bass]

I think what Tony meant is that the comment wasn't something you'd normally say homie. That's why he was asking if you got kidknapped Steve. At least that's how I read into things.

I know man.

And hence the "sarcasm is the lowest form of wit"
comment.

I was having jollies.

this place seems to need another humour injection.

So this is a bad record?

But it will probably rock the floor, and shift loads of units.
I thought the general attitude in this place had become, if it rocks the floor it`s ok?

Or is there a set level of tolerable predictability and cheesiness, the point at which it is exceeded, then it becomes a bad techno record?

Is there a scale or a meter that we can use to rate stuff with.

Is there a points system?

Like, Boney M gets say 10 points of cheesiness
But I dunno, some sample from Terminator only gets 2?

I mean, to my uneducated ears, this is just schranze.

but apparently, it`s bad schranze.

I`m having difficulty understanding where that level is any more.

Surely anything that works on the floor is ok now isn`t it?

I`m not trying to hate on schranze. I don`t hate it, I just don`t listen to it.

[rhythmtech]

I know man.


But it will probably rock the floor, and shift loads of units.
I thought the general attitude in this place had become, if it rocks the floor it`s ok?

.

ok, it probably would rock the floor, if the floor was covered in a bunch of monged up idiots with zero taste in quality music. but that isnt what i would consider rocking a dancefloor..

i dont listen to schranz either but i can tell the differance between the good and the bad stuff.

good schranz - scott kemix, calvers heavier stuff, amok etc

bad schranz - anything that uses mounds of distortion for the wrong reasons (ie: to cover bad production) and ANYTHING that uses an abba sample - which covers about 99% of stuff on this god forsaken "re-works" label.

i know that people on here have hugely differant opinions on what they consider good/bad techno but its plain to see everyone is united in their hatred of this crap.. its not the cheese factor at all (theres plenty of really good techno thats cheesey as hell).. its the overall package.. it just screams horrible horrible horrible!!!!!!!!!

[rhythmtech]

we all know that in certain situations you could fart into a mic and people will still dance but i hope in this day and age most punters go to techno nights because they know and love the music?

but i know for a fact that if i (or anyone else for that matter) dropped that tune, in 99% of clubs i'd get seriously heckled and probably pulled of the dex.. and id deserve it!

[RDR]

ok, it probably would rock the floor, if the floor was covered in a bunch of monged up idiots with zero taste in quality music.

Got it in one.

[SlavikSvensk]

Like, Boney M gets say 10 points of cheesiness

There lived a certain man in Russia long ago
He was big and strong, in his eyes a flaming glow
Most people looked at him with terror and with fear
But to Moscow chicks he was such a lovely dear
He could preach the bible like a preacher
Full of ecstacy and fire
But he also was the kind of teacher
Women would desire

RA RA RASPUTIN
Lover of the Russian queen
There was a cat that really was gone
RA RA RASPUTIN
Russia's greatest love machine
It was a shame how he carried on

He ruled the Russian land and never mind the czar
But the kasachok he danced really wunderbar
In all affairs of state he was the man to please
But he was real great when he had a girl to squeeze
For the queen he was no wheeler dealer
Though she'd heard the things he'd done
She believed he was a holy healer
Who would heal her son

There lived a certain man in Russia long ago
He was big and strong, in his eyes a flaming glow
Most people looked at him with terror and with fear
But to Moscow chicks he was such a lovely dear
He could preach the bible like a preacher
Full of ecstacy and fire
But he also was the kind of teacher
Women would desire

RA RA RASPUTIN
Lover of the Russian queen
There was a cat that really was gone
RA RA RASPUTIN
Russia's greatest love machine
It was a shame how he carried on

He ruled the Russian land and never mind the czar
But the kasachok he danced really wunderbar
In all affairs of state he was the man to please
But he was real great when he had a girl to squeeze
For the queen he was no wheeler dealer
Though she'd heard the things he'd done
She believed he was a holy healer
Who would heal her son

[SlavikSvensk]

besides, steve's right...life's too short to spend it hating schranz. aren't there more important things for us to spend time and effort hating?

like club trance?

[eyeswithoutaface]

i think you guys are missing steve's point here. It wasnt aimed at anyone in particular, more at the general attitude this board, in his and many others opinions, deems to employ. He was simply pointing at the fact that usually on here people are happier to have the big reach around and use such classic, and usually very uneducated/naive, lines such as "but it's banging", "it sells well" and the more favourable "it'l have the dancefloors rocking anyway!". The latter being my fave, because i can assure you, i know of not one credible dancefloor that would indeed be rocking whilst that was playing.

Steve's initial post was so sarcastic it was even more classic Steve than his regular posts. I agree, but i also have to say i think it's quite cool to see a few more people finally giving this rubbish the trashing it genuinely does deserve. I mean from any viewpoint at all you might want to take on it, there is not one positive thing about records like this at all. If anyone can point out a genuine positive element about this record, il give them 1000 british pounds, or around 800 euros

[dirty_bass]

So now your looking down on people who dance to this?
Again, where is the bar?

I`m sure this will rock some big places to pieces.


I used to feel the same about other techno.

3rd rate Hydraulix rip offs.
Predictable clubby techno with generic rap samples inserted.
Oompah schranze
All sorts.

My opinions about high production values etc were dumbed down for being too elitist, and similarly my views on moving forwards, doing your own thing, not following your leaders, musically.


But I had an epiphany recently (I think)

What the hell does it matter any more?

To someone, the latest SUF for example, might be the best piece of music ever, to others, dull, predicable, and turgid.
No one is right.
But setting a line is hypochritical, pointless, and a waste of time.

I`m guilty of it, as are most of us.

But what is the point?

Just get on with it, do what you have to do to make the floor move, or to blow some minds, or lift people up, or whatever.
Techno was something that was undefineable in terms of it`s style and sound. Very hard to pin down.

And now it becomes increasingly boxed in, with sub genres and people fearing to step out of their boxes.

Music is a beautiful chamelion, and techno will move into new areas. Some people won`t accept it and some will. Some people like to stay where they are happy already, and some like the adventure of the new.

All that is important to me now, is to keep an open mind, and push myself musically as far as I can go.
For myself.
And no one else.

It`s the best fight there is.

I no longer see the point of concern with what is crap or not, what is trendy or not.

Maybe we can all try to discuss parties, the music, DJ`s, Producers, constructively, and stop getting so damn edgy and shitty all the time.
Why even bother starting a thread about something you hate?
These are discussions about an artform, nothing more.
Opinions rendered as text on a screen.

It`s just a damn forum, don`t take it too seriously.

I`m gonna make an effort to change my input in this place (not that I input very much any more), but I see now that none of it really matters but how you make use of the music to better your life.


God bless sleep deprivation for my re-awakening this weekend.