this is a new low

**SlavikSvensk** · 13-03-2007, 01:08 AM

Originally Posted by eyeswithoutaface

haha, oh believe me, right now, i do :)

well pay up, scotty...i already said something good about it...it's not club trance!

i'll expect the cheque in the mail

(notice british spelling of check)

**RDR** · 13-03-2007, 06:21 AM

Originally Posted by rhythmtech

ok, it probably would rock the floor, if the floor was covered in a bunch of monged up idiots with zero taste in quality music.

Got it in one.

**RDR** · 13-03-2007, 06:24 AM

Originally Posted by eyeswithoutaface

haha, oh believe me, right now, i do :)

Safe...

Lend us some money then scott i have a schranz remix of the east enders theme that's just gonna blow UP!

Predictable clubby techno with generic rap samples inserted

Having a did there at who??? /SARCASM

.....

**djfilthmonger** · 13-03-2007, 10:37 AM

this schranz tune is just a bad tune , yes some people might like it , even if u really like schranz which i did at one stage i think is a load of poo of a record, nothin compared with kemix,viper xxl,amok,boris s ,waldhaus and weintechnik,etc

**Miromiric** · 13-03-2007, 11:36 AM

this sounds just like any other schranz whatever "techno" record.

**MARK ANXIOUS** · 13-03-2007, 12:11 PM

Originally Posted by dirty_bass

So now your looking down on people who dance to this?
Again, where is the bar?

I`m sure this will rock some big places to pieces.

I used to feel the same about other techno.

3rd rate Hydraulix rip offs.
Predictable clubby techno with generic rap samples inserted.
Oompah schranze
All sorts.

My opinions about high production values etc were dumbed down for being too elitist, and similarly my views on moving forwards, doing your own thing, not following your leaders, musically.

But I had an epiphany recently (I think)

What the hell does it matter any more?

To someone, the latest SUF for example, might be the best piece of music ever, to others, dull, predicable, and turgid.
No one is right.
But setting a line is hypochritical, pointless, and a waste of time.

I`m guilty of it, as are most of us.

But what is the point?

Just get on with it, do what you have to do to make the floor move, or to blow some minds, or lift people up, or whatever.
Techno was something that was undefineable in terms of it`s style and sound. Very hard to pin down.

And now it becomes increasingly boxed in, with sub genres and people fearing to step out of their boxes.

Music is a beautiful chamelion, and techno will move into new areas. Some people won`t accept it and some will. Some people like to stay where they are happy already, and some like the adventure of the new.

All that is important to me now, is to keep an open mind, and push myself musically as far as I can go.
For myself.
And no one else.

It`s the best fight there is.

I no longer see the point of concern with what is crap or not, what is trendy or not.

Maybe we can all try to discuss parties, the music, DJ`s, Producers, constructively, and stop getting so damn edgy and shitty all the time.
Why even bother starting a thread about something you hate?
These are discussions about an artform, nothing more.
Opinions rendered as text on a screen.

It`s just a damn forum, don`t take it too seriously.

I`m gonna make an effort to change my input in this place (not that I input very much any more), but I see now that none of it really matters but how you make use of the music to better your life.

God bless sleep deprivation for my re-awakening this weekend.

that is ,quite possibly, the best post i have ever read on this board..

**DORYL_ROY** · 13-03-2007, 12:38 PM

Well I think the saying goes if u haven’t got anything good to say then don’t say anything at all. From what I gather the reasons most of you don’t like this record is because (not in any particular order and please feel free to correct me if I am wrong):

* Poor Production
* The fact it is shranz
* There’s an abba sample in it
* It lacks any real creative insight
* Despite all of these reasons it probably will still do all right when it comes to sales.

IMO I don’t think the person who made this record was taking it serious for a second so why should anyone else. The fact that people feel the need to point out the obvious is stupid. I had one reaction to this record and that reaction was nothing. The way I see it is that he techno scene is a far cry away from how things used to be when it was started with open minded people looking and striving for something different and trying to get away from the commercial music scene and all it entails. The fact that people are now judging and scrutinising almost everything just makes the scene what it was trying to get away from in the first place.
To me its about the freedom to do what ever you ****ing want so hands up to the person who made this. The person may have made this just for financial gain but that’s a whole different story and not what im trying to get across in this instance.
Another thing is is that it seems to me everyone is always looking for something that’s fresh and new. This record of course is neither of those things but how many of you would have the balls to put an abba sample into your tune and just say **** it. If this scene is to keep progressing there needs to be more people with the fuk it attitude but why would anyone want to take a chance when all that seems to happen is people getting chopped down when they do. Obviously putting an abba sample in a track isn’t going to change shit but hopefully you will be able to see what I am trying to say.

**TechMouse** · 13-03-2007, 12:41 PM

Originally Posted by SlavikSvensk

think you misunderstood me, mate...was trying to be ironic :)

We need some new smilies... one for "irony", one for "sarcasm", one for "jizz"...

**BloodStar** · 13-03-2007, 12:52 PM

I am curious why schranz threads always have most replies. Yep, it can be horrible tune, for sure,but maybe it can rock some floors...who knows.

**DORYL_ROY** · 13-03-2007, 12:58 PM

Originally Posted by BloodStar

I am curious why schranz threads always have most replies. Yep, it can be horrible tune, for sure,but maybe it can rock some floors...who knows.

Maybe deep down everyone has a schranz monster inside them and is just too afraid to admit it.

**rhythmtech** · 13-03-2007, 01:05 PM

Originally Posted by DORYL_ROY

* Poor Production
* The fact it is shranz
* There’s an abba sample in it
* It lacks any real creative insight
* Despite all of these reasons it probably will still do all right when it comes to sales.

i really dont think the fact that its schranz has anything to do with it.. theres plenty of good schranz out there.

**DORYL_ROY** · 13-03-2007, 01:35 PM

Originally Posted by rhythmtech

i really dont think the fact that its schranz has anything to do with it.. theres plenty of good schranz out there.

That was just one of the reasons I gave. Yes I agree there is good schranz out there just like there’s quality stuff with all genres of music and also bad. The point I was trying to make is that why people care so much and feel the need to point out that its not that good when its obvious and why in a scene like the techno scene, which imo is all about individuality and freedom, are there people judging when all that its about is to be free to do what you want and not necessarily feel the need to conform and be bound by the shackles of society.

**rhythmtech** · 13-03-2007, 02:04 PM

ok i think you're going a little far with it now.. its just a crap tune, its not a damning indication of the scene/style whatsoever.

**DORYL_ROY** · 13-03-2007, 02:28 PM

Originally Posted by rhythmtech

ok i think you're going a little far with it now.. its just a crap tune, its not a damning indication of the scene/style whatsoever.

If it’s just a crap tune and that’s that then why should anyone feel the need to make it known that it’s a crap tune. Isn’t it going a little far to point that out? Why does there seem to be a need to put something down and categorize it. Its this fundamental floor that has saturated the techno scene with shit IMO and im sorry if u think im going to far with it but doing things half hearted isn’t my style and if I have something to say and I feel the need to say it, which isn’t often, then I will.

**rhythmtech** · 13-03-2007, 02:59 PM

this is a techno discussion forum and its a crap tune :whoops:

its not discussing this kinda crap thats bad.

if we ignore it like a naughty child will it go away? no.

so y not discuss it in the place that we're meant to? or is it now wrong to say even 2-unlimited were on the crap side?

this place is just so full of extremists.. what the hell is wrong with saying you like/dont like something these days?

if you say you dont like it you get shot down for being negative and if you say you do like it then theres someone lining up to take a stab at your tastes..

should a forum be one big happy cock sucking fest? or as scott so nicely put it "everyone giving the reach around"? or should it be just a place to come and diss everything.. even when you sometimes have no idea what you're talking about?

personally i'd prefer somewhere in between.

crap tune - end of story.

**DORYL_ROY** · 13-03-2007, 03:18 PM

Originally Posted by rhythmtech

this is a techno discussion forum and its a crap tune :whoops:

its not discussing this kinda crap thats bad.

if we ignore it like a naughty child will it go away? no.

so y not discuss it in the place that we're meant to? or is it now wrong to say even 2-unlimited were on the crap side?

this place is just so full of extremists.. what the hell is wrong with saying you like/dont like something these days?

if you say you dont like it you get shot down for being negative and if you say you do like it then theres someone lining up to take a stab at your tastes..

should a forum be one big happy cock sucking fest? or as scott so nicely put it "everyone giving the reach around"? or should it be just a place to come and diss everything.. even when you sometimes have no idea what you're talking about?

personally i'd prefer somewhere in between.

crap tune - end of story.

You have missed my point completely

**rhythmtech** · 13-03-2007, 03:23 PM

well then try and explain it in a way that i can understand.

cause what im getting is - dont say anything bad about a tune cause that just makes the scene worse.

no thats bullshit - the negativity that i disagree with is people dissing other peoples work because they're not familiar with the style, they dont like the style or 100 other reasons..

but saying you think a perticualr tune is crap is not negativity.. its just not liking something.

**DORYL_ROY** · 13-03-2007, 04:13 PM

You said

'If you don’t like it you get shot down for being negative and if you say you do like it then there’s someone lining up to take a stab at your tastes'

Which helps illustrate my point. The way people are and how they react to certain things goes against what i believe the techno scene to be about and imo this in turn is making the scene worse. The fact that a schranz tune was made poorly really has no bearing on what im trying to say it was only used as a platform to get my point across. I’m not saying you can’t have an opinion because that would be going against my own beliefs making me a hypocrite. I’m just saying its wrong that’s all.

**rhythmtech** · 13-03-2007, 04:23 PM

so its wrong.. but im allowed say what i want.. but its wrong.

your logic is oustanding.

**dirty_bass** · 13-03-2007, 04:23 PM

In a new light I actually see the value in this tune, rather ironically for me.

It`s a bit of humour. Which techno really really needs sometimes.
No worse than One night in hackney for it`s sillyness, and nothing to be taken seriously.

It won`t destroy the scene, it won`t give techno a bad reputation, it`ll make a few people laugh, especially if timed just right, it will probably get a whole bunch of people jumping around, and maybe, just maybe this will drag some people into a techno room, who wouldn`t normally be there, and then they might stay once it has been mixed out.

I`m not really a fan of this tune, but I don`t see the point of talking about musical merits any more, because where do you set the line?

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