"techno is too white"

[DJZeMig_L]

Techno has a bit of funk, actually a bit of everything losts of people from diferent backgounds, cultures, etc... they all think of tehno in a different way . Techno is preciselly that.. all the cultural/ racial/ etc... rejects who do not give a fuc* about rules and the way this or that should be played/ made...
Techno combines all styles... u can be tech-house, tech-trance, abstract, etc... but it's techno!!

I think some of the more mellow/ soulfull techno from the early days was donne not because people were "black" but because they were opressed, because they're lifes were a predictable big void... grow up... work at the car factory... have kids... die ... loop ad eternum... Music was they're way of escapism/ dreaming/ etc... they did it 4 pure fun... anyways that's my view.. if u live a particular dark situation u either so bal*s of dark and angry or soft and dreammy!

Z

[Esox Lucius]

imo the first rule of techno is funk!

[Angrymann]

Like I said before I do think that it's more to do with where Techno is at at the moment as opposed to much else.

But you could also ask the question , how do we know there aren't as many black producers of Techno. Most of the time I buy records on the name and I really don't know what the producer looks like.They could be black /white/male/female/animal(most likely..it is techno after all)

So is it maybe a case of there isn't as much black sounding Techno out there rather than less black producers. UR are still releasing stuff which IS black techno ( could be mistaken but all the artists on UR are black are they not..if their not then pardon my ignorance) as is Stacey Pullen.

But other than that I can't be 100%.

Are you guys more in the know about who is and isn't black etc when it comes to producers??

[Esox Lucius]

good point, at the ned of the day it doesnt matter what the colour of the skin is of the producer as long as they are making good music.

[Jay Pace]

Some interesting lines of argument here. Some monkeys as well, inevitably. Here's my 2 cents...

One of the things I love most about techno is that it is fairly well hidden. I'm from London, and spent all my teenage years running around at raves, listening to pirate radio and buying drum&bass and hardcore. I even got into garage at one stage (sorry).

Still like drum&bass and breaks, but one of the main reasons I was into the scene was its explicit self promotion. Flyers everywhere, loads of pirate radio stations, general media picking up the scene as being "underground" and very cool. The thing is people get a bit narrow minded if thats how they get into music - whirled in with the general package of image, attitude and aggression. Witness the ignorance and narrowmindedness you get in drum&bass forums. Where its "all about drum&bass" and everything else is by default rubbish.

I can't speak on other cities, but london being a big mixture of races it is interesting to see that disproportionately few black people attend techno - which is seen as being white. And as someone competely erroneously suggested earlier - drum&bass being black and of black origin. I think the media does a lot to culturally polarise music in this way, by crudely stereotyping all music with bass as being black, and symphonic melodic music as being white.

The amount of people who dont have a blind clue what techno is - either assuming it to be hard house or "bleepy german stuff" is testimony to the fact that techno doesn't market itself in such an aggressive manner. You can find your way into the scene rather than have it imposed upon you. Public ignorance of techno in the UK is strange considering how much time and money we invest in the dance music scene.

I'm blethering a bit. And I can only really talk from experience about London, and possibly the north east (where there are no black people whatsoever). Its intereting to see how and why people racialise music.

all rubblish. techno is a white scene and D&B is a black scene because of who are the key innovators

I'd really like to know why you think this, simply because it is so, so wrong. So why are you under this illusion?

Peace

[Tony]

Are you guys more in the know about who is and isn't black etc when it comes to producers??[/quote]

no i dont think i probably am. i'll by a record cos it works for me. i dont care if it was written by a chinese immigrant to argentina so long as i personally think it rocks.

this is why i was saying its not about the actual producers so much, more about the sound. but then, i would like more black people to appreciate the guys who busted their ass forging a new sound. i'm sure any black heroes are good for the black community.

[Angrymann]

What I was trying to say with that comment Tony was basically.

From the original thread . Dave Clarke stated their weren't as many black producers as before , but how does he actually know this unless he knows the names and faces of everyone releasing records. I consider myself to know as much as I need to about Techno , but I can't say I know where everyone is from , what they look like.

So , would you say Dave Clarke knows enough prodcuers/artists to make this comment in the first place.

I don't think there is one person in the world that can claim to know everything about Techno , every label , every artist on the labels etc etc??

[Tony]

no, agreed. and i havent a clue what clarke said in that interveiw, i merely read then pondered the front cover, so to me it only implied the feeling of the music. unless dave clarke has commisioned the worlds first census into the techno world then i'm sure he is either talking out of his leather trousers or also talking about the lack of jackin/booty.

its funny the way a lot of people refer to the 'black sound' as funky or soulful. that isnt instinctively the way for me. funky techno sounds super white to me. not the ur stuff, but primate and primevil or intec does. i know intec is coxs label, but to me the feel of the music is very white.

probably on my own on that one. damn these individual thought patterns!

[The Overfiend]

I usually agree with things you say Tony but to associate funky or jack with being black is purely Stereotypical, like all black people can dance blah blah.
Truth is we don't know who makes what most of the time, and the color shouldnt matter, If the young black youth don't want to hear techno or make it oh well. They have that choice, Look at dj rush, his funk is jack no doubt but his techno doesnt exactly sound white or black, I mean jeez the best rapper is white. I don't think it matters a bit.

[Jay Pace]

I'd guess Dave Clarke knows a lot of the major faces in the scene, and that he could tell from this that there aren't as many black people about.
This is a completely pointless observation. Techno may have started in Detroit, but now that Sweden, Germany, Eastern Europe, Italy and countless other predominantly white countries are producing techno you are bound to see more white faces. I'd wager that most techno produced now, and most techno parties and clubs are in Europe. So you are bound to see more white faces.

I dont think it matters remotely .

[Angrymann]

It definately doesn't ,but it was worth having a wee discussion on it.

White men can dance perfectly well too , look at Michael Jackson!!!

[Tony]

I usually agree with things you say Tony but to associate funky or jack with being black is purely Stereotypical, like all black people can dance blah blah.
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re-read dude, your agreeing with me, and i'm agreeing with you. aint that sweet :lol:

[The Overfiend]

Oh damn. My bad Tony, Slap me five on the blackhand side
Soul Brother.

[jonnyspeed]

[quote="And as someone competely erroneously suggested earlier - drum&bass being black and of black origin." [/quote]

I completely stand by that comment. I go to D&B clubs in london and I find then full of a disproportionate number of black people compared to the black population within London. Even in areas that are not tradiotionally black ie. Hoxton you get 75% black people attending D&B nights. Go out in Brixton 95-95% of people at techno ecents are white.

You gonna tell me that 75% of London is black or 95% white. No. Then I stand by the comment that D&B is a black scene and Techno is a white scene. And no I don't mean 100% but well outside the proportion of these races in the population. An no I don't like it and no that don't make me a racist. I'm just not one of those people that so politically correct that they refuse to say what is in front of their eyes week in and week out.

Please more black people come out this weekend and prove me wrong!

[Jay Pace]

That there are a higher proportion of black people in d&b clubs in london than the average population proportions - true. That the clubs are 75% black? Erm, which clubs are you going to? I've lived in london and been raving for a decade, and I'm yet to come across an all black d&b night. Maybe I've just been going to strangely white clubs and raves. They're all the major ones though...

Brixton tends to do more of a line in hard tech & acid techno. Which you can have as "white music" if you like. But if you are going to talk about "key innovators" techno is deeply in debt to all its detroit godfathers (mostly black), and players like carl cox, dave angel, dj rush, countless others.

Go to an R&B night at subterranea and that is almost 100% black. D&B has always been mixed. And more white than anything else. Black faces are maybe more memorable as there are more than usual, but it would be wrong to say the majority were black. D&B seems to mostly be made up of white teenage/early 20's boys, in London and all across the UK.

I'm not trying to be antagonistic so I hope this doesn't come across as agressive. And its nothing to do with political correctness. I just don't agree with your observations.

Peace.

[bornaa]

I usually agree with things you say Tony but to associate funky or jack with being black is purely Stereotypical, like all black people can dance blah blah

i think its all just a series of stereotypes. that black skin colour is diferent than white is a stereotype, and that japanese ppl have eyes like they just sucked on a lemon is, as well, a total stereotype. we all look the same! just those nasty stereotypes make us seem diferent.

ok, i was trying to be funny with this irony, but my point was that the racial influences are here, existing, and calling those diferences stereotypes is stupid. and leave poor dave alone, you guys wrote esseys based on just a 4 word quote on the frontpage of some magazine. first of all we should know the numbers of black, white, japanese mutobmo or whatever people in techo and than we can ask a question why.

[Buttman]

What about "Techno is too cock"?

Not much cunt in techno is there?

Quite odd =|

[Angrymann]

I just figured out that you can say cunt , cock , arse , dick , fanny , cuntface , cunthead , cuntybaws, you cunt , he's a cunt,she's a cunt , but you can't say ****

[Si the Sigh]

oh ****!

[jonnyspeed]

you forgot twat, wank, bollocks and flaps