"techno is too white"

[Patrick DSP]

WTF i thought this was about soul and lack thereof in 4/4 techno

but now this is becomming ignorant.

topic closed untill you guys can grow up and get a bit more educated.

[jonnyspeed]

I wasn't being a bigot I was just saying that in terms of the majority of punters to underground techno nights are white - well in London, suppose. Go down 414 in Brixton - a massively black area, black bouncers, black bar staff, 95% white punters. Go out to a underground Drum&Bass night in East London and the situation is reversed. Pakistani/Indian/Bangla attendance to techno nights is especially low whilst Chinese and Japanese seem to love it.

I'm not saying I like it, just the way it is, well from what I've witnessed in London. I think it comes down to general cultural taste.

Maybe different elsewhere and in different club?


Peace.

[Tony]

Bad Brains (if anyone remembers them) didn't exsist to make Rock more black they just rocked.[/quote]


and fishbone man, they where wikid!!!!!

[Tony]

i come from birmingham where black and asian people are, i think i'm right in saying, in majority. there are certainly major players in the world of techno or who write black 'sounding' techno, but there arent many actual black people who acknowledge that a good chunk of techno is a black creative movement. they may look up to thier heroes in d'n'b or hip hop, but techno is just as relevant for them to find heroes in.
for example, i cant imagine walking in to my local african social club and asking to do a detroit night. it just wouldnt compute with people. instead of black youngsters praising dizzee rascal and his butterfly knife weilding antics they should have tracks by fanon flowers, dknox and green velvet in their collection RIGHT NEXT TO beyer surgeon etc.
i'm into the lot too, its just that i dont find good booty too often.
more of everything please!!!

[kebabman]

WTF i thought this was about soul and lack thereof in 4/4 techno

but now this is becomming ignorant.

topic closed untill you guys can grow up and get a bit more educated.

Sweeping statements are just as ignorant and are also how racism catches fire. This is a highly contentious argument. Kraftwerk versus Juan Atkins anyone???. Does it matter. Tony is right, more booty stuff please as far as I am concerned. Charlie Hall got on the case with Projex and fair play. The following is a fact: Black men and women can make and play banging/soulful funky Techno just as white men and women can make banging/soulful funky Techno regardless of how well they are known. But is it right for me to state men before women in the above argument? Shit that's sexist. Any other race on this planet apart from black or white who produce Techno. Lordy, there are. Anyone forget about that? Course not, racism is a hot topic and one you can show to your friends how right on you are while forgetting how one dimensional you are.
Not surprising that Dave Clarke causes so much ire amongst people...SUCKERS!
Anyone remeber HMS?

[The Overfiend]

It's true this argument sucks lock the topic.
Be a lil bit more humanitarian people, who give a sh*t about what,
I'm Rican Italian and grew up a Metalhead who knew how to breakdance go figure.

[dan the acid man]

in my opinion there is alot of funky techno still being made, alot of geezer,s tunes are funky as hell and if the a-side of hydraulix 20 isnt funky then i dont know what is

[The Overfiend]

Yeah but what does funky have to do with black, lolololololol.
that just sounds so funny though.
In my head i keep seeing marley Marl saying "it's gots ta be Fonky"

[dan the acid man]

im not looking at this as a race issue, im just looking at it as a lack of funky techno issue, wich i dont find to be the case

[kebabman]

It's true this argument sucks lock the topic.
Be a lil bit more humanitarian people, who give a sh*t about what,
I'm Rican Italian and grew up a Metalhead who knew how to breakdance go figure.

Why are you advocating censorship?

[The Overfiend]

I'm not advocating censorship I don't want to promote stupidity.

[dan the acid man]

i think sam is right, there have been some pretty stupid comments on here

[Carl]

f u c k ignorance, f u c k loneliness, f u c k reality, f u c k society :lol:

[kebabman]

Neither do I. But discussion is not stupid regardless of how you feel about what is said. Censorship for me is a very hot topic. I concur that this topic will very quickly go absolutely nowhere.
However, Dave Clarke raised a point which obviously merited some discussion although it was sloppily put. I myself have witnessed arguments as to how Techno is progressing. Is it getting too 4/4 banging and loopy? Where is the soul and funk? Where is the original soul of Techno? Err, it's ****ing music for ****s sake.
Sorry mate but telling anyone on a forum to lock a topic is pretty lame.
Fahrenheit 451 anyone? (I may have got the degrees wrong). For Christs sake I've seen some threads on other Techno boards about how crap Jeff Mills mixing/sets are lately? And??? Live at the Liquid Room for me is a benchmark. I couldn't give a toss what he's like now, he started something for me and regardless of how many "Black" dj's are doing Techno now is irrelevant. It's what you've learnt from your peers that counts.

[kebabman]

Sorry, that meant to say it's ****ing music for ****'s sake.

[Sunil]

Yet another reason to contribute to Dave Clarke being a totally clueless arrogant cunt.

i'm not saying I think everything Clarke says is bang on *but* let's get real here, he's no mug Buttman, he's been around the block and experienced a lot within the techno scene....arrogant maybe, clueless I don't think so!

[Buttman]

i'm not saying I think everything Clarke says is bang on *but* let's get real here, he's no mug Buttman, he's been around the block and experienced a lot within the techno scene....arrogant maybe, clueless I don't think so!

I am infalable.

[1992]

what the **** does color have to do with anything :roll:

Exactly. I think some people get their jollies off making arguments like this. They wish to claim that their race is better then another.

i think you are all missing the point here, it's not a race battle. Clarke is making the point that when he got into techno it was funky and being made by black people, and now there's **** all black people making techno...maybe he feels techno has lost a bit of its funk??? i'd certainly have to agree with him.

Ohh. Well if its like that then I'll agree too! All the funk got left back in 1994. That was when all the funk left the techno for the jungle. I hate this myself, I loved all those 4/4 beats with the chopped breakbeats, wicked crazy sounds, and good vibes. Even though techno no longer has most of this, it still has that lovely hard driving 909 beat and I'd say that even though it doesn't have the breakbeats or extremely excellent sounds (like the riffs in 2 Da Core "Rub A Dub"), it still has a nice vibe. Thats why I was looking for a forum like this, because I've gotten really sick of how non-funky and non-vibey drum and bass has gotten. At least hard techno hasn't losts its way after all these years. In fact I think it may have gotten better. That Brain Zentz "D-Clash" tune is totaly amazing for example, its totaly got that 92 energy which I crave to hear.

[1992]

Also BTW: All of the recent techno sets I've downloaded this month have been really amazing. Maybe I'm bias because I've become so sick of what the DnB people have been doing but I think the current techno is pretty darn cool and that includes the MarkEG mix that someone posted in here. Sure its not as cool as the hard as hell 1992 jungle tekno ardkore, but its cool in its own loopy trackly way. I actually hated minimal techno with a passion till I heard Carl Cox and Underworld play sets at the ex-nyc nightclub Twilo. What a great time it was to dance to that stuff and to know exactly when the 909 OH & CH pattern would kick in and when the beats would drop. That predictability is what makes it cool for me, and you still can't hear real techno on the radio which makes me feel special when I blast it out of my car windows (when everyone else around here blasts M&M rap, yes blasting music in the car is my guilty pleasure). :lol:

Also to say that only people of african decent can make good techno is quite silly. Theres plenty of good white techno artists who once brought the funk to the scene such as Slipmatt, Seduction, Ratty, Waxdoctor, and Stu Allen. Sadly they've either retired or lost their touch because the music scenes changed.

[Buttman]

What a great time it was to dance to that stuff and to know exactly when the 909 OH & CH pattern would kick in and when the beats would drop. That predictability is what makes it cool for me,

I feel like crying.