"techno is too white"

[The Overfiend]

Also to say that only people of african decent can make good techno is quite silly. Theres plenty of good white techno artists who once brought the funk .

Nobody said that.

[Tony]

the only reason i think this thread should be closed is - you're all agreeing with each other but getting passionate about it.
we all know anyone of any colour can write good music, whatever the genre. but i'm just missing a bit of ghetto booty stuff, or a nice come back for some jackin chicago.
no one has been racist on here, but i think people are being over PC which is the only way that its gone pear shaped.
your all top blokes, you know there is no colour boundaries to techno, but i hope you all notice what i was trying to discuss.
HELL, i dont even know what clarke said in that interview. he may have summed it up eloquently, or he could have come across as a racist. i dont know, and i rightly dont care.
i put this post up for some nice hearty conversation, but on reflection 'music and race, now theres two topics people dont have much passion about'.
no, this should be a fun conversation about 'wheres the booty?'. totally harmless, anyone who treats it otherwise should be chucked off.

[The Overfiend]

The booty is by Kne Deep's camp.
Jack I believe was the new album?

[Sunil]

The booty is by Kne Deep's camp.
Jack I believe was the new album?

"Jack" was on Projex, excellent triple pack.

[Sunil]

i'm not saying I think everything Clarke says is bang on *but* let's get real here, he's no mug Buttman, he's been around the block and experienced a lot within the techno scene....arrogant maybe, clueless I don't think so!

I am infalable.

oh right, you are *infallible*, well you just proved yourself wrong there ;)

[jonnyspeed]

I don't think this is a race agrument, its more ethnicity and culture. I think that techno resonates with anglo-saxon and East Asian cultures because we are very electronic driven. Other cultures are more driven by other influences such as latin and african beats which have different influences from local music.

The recent cross over techno tracks I've heard in terms of dub, latin and african do work. Maybe if these individual styles could gather more scale, like Drum & Bass and Asian Dub has in the UK, then I think we would get more cultural diversity.

At the last Anti-World night at SE1 in London, these styles of tracks were played by Geezer and Chris Liberator but only in isolation of full on techno/acid. I don't think I saw a black face all night, but I was a bit mashed. Howver when I go to 100% Dynamite London's main Dub night it is a true Heinz 57 variety of cultures.

Peace.

[MARKEG]

thanks for praising my mix 1992, but it's totally irrevant to the topic. ps jesus i hope that mix isn't predictable too!!! :lol:

i haven't locked this topic because i have to say, i do wonder why there's not as many black ppl producing techno as their used to be in the early eighties. i find this topic totally exciting. i always put it down to the fact that the early detroit techno had so much soul, the fact it was being made in detroit and it was a concept between a few black friends. cool but techno has developed into something else.

now i see techno as music that can easily touch different cultures and people regardless of race and ethnic background. that's one of the reasons why i love this music so much. but the problem is that black ppl are targeted with hip-hop/r+b and many of them can easily relate to it. so they latch onto it as kids. techno? hmmm... it's gonna be hard for black kids to discover techno. hip-hop offers way much more excitement.

only my thoughts but, hey perhaps you can see why i didn't lock this topic. ;)

[bornaa]

dont lock it....there are some replyes here that i would guess were written by monkeys and not people (no this is not a racial thing again)....i just hope i dont realise im a total idiot as well cuz i would really get depressed and cut my veins right open in the bathtub

[ampassasinbirmingham]

you do know how to get evryones juices going dont ya grainger:)

with me being only eighteen i dont have loads to say on this. But....
From listening and buying records. There did seem to be a lot more soul in lots of the older techno records. todays tunage seems very mechanical/dark/plain ****ed up. But it seems there was a lot more heart in the tunes back then. Not that there isnt now, it justs seems that back then there were more soulful/funkyness to the tunage. More stuff to wiggle you ass to, rather than pound the night away.

[jonnyspeed]

Suppose from a London point of view that's the whole point... it ain't intelligent, it ain't from detroit but its fackin' avin it!

All my Indian friends hate techno because they say that they can't get off with women as easily has going out to somewhere that won't let you wear trainers and plays 2 step/gararge.

[Col]

Theres plenty of good white techno artists who once brought the funk to the scene such as Slipmatt, Seduction, Ratty, Waxdoctor, and Stu Allen.

hey c'mon lets not be silly. to associate those names with both techno, and funk is hilarious. :lol:

you were taking the piss right?

[Col]

i can also see good reason for not locking this topic.

this boards been a little bland of late, its nice to see some heated debates taking centre stage.

[1992]

Theres plenty of good white techno artists who once brought the funk to the scene such as Slipmatt, Seduction, Ratty, Waxdoctor, and Stu Allen.

hey c'mon lets not be silly. to associate those names with both techno, and funk is hilarious. :lol:

you were taking the piss right?

Wheres the silly? 'Ardkore as it was in 92 was an evolution of detroit techno, acid house, and other europian styles of dance music, thats why kevin saunderson had his tunes to be remixed by grooverider and even he himself released hardcore tunes as tronik house. hardcore, an evolution of techno, and latter jungle, an evolution of hardcore, was (past tense) all about funk.

Anyway I certainly wouldn't concider hard minimal techno as being "funky" really. I don't think its suppose to be, thats not the point now is it? I haven't heard a techno tune with any breakbeat loops in back of a 909 kick since 1996 on some guys mixtape that I copied. Also I haven't heard a real "funky" bassline in a hard techno track in quite some time, the last was this Drumcode record...20.5 (but then again I haven't been an advid collector of techno vinyl so maybe I'm missing something).

[Buttman]

I haven't heard a techno tune with any breakbeat loops in back of a 909 kick since 1996

Check Regis' later work.

[Esox Lucius]

Theres plenty of good white techno artists who once brought the funk to the scene such as Slipmatt, Seduction, Ratty, Waxdoctor, and Stu Allen.

hey c'mon lets not be silly. to associate those names with both techno, and funk is hilarious. :lol:

you were taking the piss right?

Wheres the silly? 'Ardkore as it was in 92 was an evolution of detroit techno, acid house, and other europian styles of dance music, thats why kevin saunderson had his tunes to be remixed by grooverider and even he himself released hardcore tunes as tronik house. hardcore, an evolution of techno, and latter jungle, an evolution of hardcore, was (past tense) all about funk.

Anyway I certainly wouldn't concider hard minimal techno as being "funky" really. I don't think its suppose to be, thats not the point now is it? I haven't heard a techno tune with any breakbeat loops in back of a 909 kick since 1996 on some guys mixtape that I copied. Also I haven't heard a real "funky" bassline in a hard techno track in quite some time, the last was this Drumcode record...20.5 (but then again I haven't been an advid collector of techno vinyl so maybe I'm missing something).

you're talking rubbish my friend...

[jonnyspeed]

I agree - funk is such a minor influence that it is plain wrong to say that hard techno is an direct derivitive... Hard Step D&B but only at a push.

[MARKEG]

come on guys, back on topic :roll:

[aggressor]

wtf has colour got to do with techno?

techno is for your ears not your eyes!!

why bother about what the artist looks like , enjoy what you hear !!!!!

if Dave Clarke can bring a race issue into music , what does that make him ?????


end of !!!!!!!!!

[wenna]

i can't understand this topic either. go into any drum and bass room at a party and u'll be surrounded by black ppl. now techno imo has more in common with dnb than pretty much any other form/style of music.

basically, if its a sub based thing why arent more producers into it?

[Tony]

i can't understand this topic either. go into any drum and bass room at a party and u'll be surrounded by black ppl. now techno imo has more in common with dnb than pretty much any other form/style of music.

basically, if its a sub based thing why arent more producers into it?

how can you not understand the topic? why do people keep talking about race? its not so directly about race, this is more about the 'feel' of the music and early defining genres that causes major stirs.

i just wanted you guys to have something interesting to chat about. if you cant see the point then dont write anything.
meanwhile.....what happened to dj funk? havent heard anything from him for a while. dj assault and pals are certainly keeping up the ghetto tech, but again we have no real platform for a pure ghetto tech night in this country, or at least not that i know of.
assault is white, see, thats how i'm not talking about race in subject, i'm talking about musical cultural referance.

mr EG you're on the right tip. a few of my black friends grew up loving UR and the detroit movement, but any black youngster could be forgiven for thinking there was little in Techno 2003 that he could truely latch on to. its a shame really.