Where does hardstyle and hard trance go from here?

[acidhead]

With all the recent controversy surrounding hardstyle/hard trance and how it's been represented in Mixmag, where do you see it going?

faster and harder is the only direction it can go really isnt it?

[log:one]

well i hope not... hardstyle got hard enough for me already, i think there's more interesting ways to develop than faster and harder...
how about structural changes, not presenting it in a
"mix-in - sample - bassline - noise - break -noise - bassline" instant gratification way... for me thats the only way to keep the mainstream's grubby mitts off it... if you cant do a radio edit then you should be safe...
i think thats a problem with hardstyle, is that a lot of the tunes are presented in a "get to the sample quick! and then repeat it loads!" sort of way, which makes it susceptible to gaylords with beer in their hand shouting along to the samples... also tracks like that "sick on the dick" on suntec dont help matters, but then there's always been the odd god-awful track in every genre... and it tends to be those that cross over...

ok, enough rambling.... see if you can pick out any good points from the above.

[RichieV]

Nothing in the way I play, think and enjoy what I do will change. Everytime something has become commercially acceptable throughout the last 20 years, I've gone the other way. I will not be changing musically unless a style I play becomes blindingly commercial.

Perhaps it's becoming harder than ever to find something that is as underground and 'underground' used to be, but we will find it - even if it may be only a few months before other people find it. we are all having to look harder to become unique. Tough I know, but that's what sets the men apart from the boys.

But somewhere where I differ to alot of people is I actually want to play my underground sound to as many people as possible. I love the bigger events where I can can get my message across to lots of people - just as I love the smaller events. I love writing for the press, cause more people know abut my music. This does not mean I am commercial - I just want everyone to be able to hear good, underground/futuristic music that is not cained by commercial DJ's.

Perhaps it seems to some like I'm contradicting myself? But back in the 80's I was always the kid back at the afterparty playing techno to a bunch of house heads who didn't really want to hear it. I've always been the one who's wanted my tape on in the car, because I really want people to understand my sound. Maybe now, that has the potential to make me look commercial in some respects, but as they say - old habits die hard. If only everyone was into the underground sound/mindset... music would not be in the state it's in...

Stick with what you believe in - that's my way forward....

i find this school of thought very immature. The sole decision you should make on any type of music is if it makes you move or strikes an emotional chord. If you are making musical decisions based on what other people are listening to , you will always be one step behind. DO what you want , listen to what you want and don't take the time to find out what the mainstream is listning too. If you like a song and it is commercial who cares. Be real to yourself , and you will make real music.

this is my opinion

[Hakka.]

Which way the music will go? hell... there is nothing for it to move to that is obvious...

I think we will continue to get more and more releases from more countries and labels and the only way of moving forward with the music will be for us to filter out the music which is dated, already done or of poor quality.

I hope that Hardstye continues on its path and that hard trance continues to better itself and evolve. To move on in the music scene to a newer sound is not about changing the speed or how hard it is as there's other genres which can cater for that, to move on is finding a new method of delivering your music through production. New concepts, new approaches and ideas for hard trance is what we need.

[DJ Corbzy]

I really think we just have to go with the flow and see where the ride takes us, sure we can vent it into some directions, but what will happen, will happen...all we can do is continue to offer well promoted nights and continue to make decent trance and get it out there...

8)

[Hakka.]

well said Corbz.

What ever is destined for our music has already been decided... we just have to wait and listen.

[DJ Corbzy]

Also another thing...we have to keep it underground...thats the main rule, if we allow the cheesesters to jump on take it out to the beerheads, were f.ucked...

8)

[MARKEG]

immature? hmmm... i'm 30 for gods sake.. hehehe...

[DJ Corbzy]

immature = no



****in nuts = and the survey says..... BING!

[MARKEG]

anyway to break down this reply by Richie:

> I find this school of thought very immature.

fair play, you have your view... but i'm definitely not immature.. this is my whole life.

> The sole decision you should make on any type of music is if it makes you move or strikes an emotional chord. If you are making musical decisions based on what other people are listening to , you will always be one step behind.

no i don't agree. my whole musical life is in two parts. 1) what i love 2) what other ppl love. I spend ages researching into other ppl (ie crowd reactions, stuff that's played on the radio etc etc) and then I have music that I LOVE. if i dj'ed for me, i guarantee you i wouldn't be here now. you'd all hate me. i'd have a proper job. my whole thought process is that you can't get other ppl into your music without bridges. it's those bridges that interest me probably as much as music that i love in my heart.

> DO what you want , listen to what you want and don't take the time to find out what the mainstream is listning too. If you like a song and it is commercial who cares. Be real to yourself , and you will make real music.

and then you won't be able to pay the rent. sorry but this is a reality. and i'm 30 years old. all i want is a life in music. the music i love with a passion is very deep in my soul and i play it out regularly. but if i played a whole set of this i'd clear the dancefloor. instead i play music that i love and enjoy but can bridge, as well as music i love with a passion - this crosses bridges to my true music.

[MARKEG]

anyway - isn't this really off topic???

[dj vorny]

RESPECT :D

[DJ Corbzy]

hmmm... i'm 30 for gods sake.. hehehe...

sounds like Mark is having a mid-life crisis....what we didnt see there is that he started crying...

[Si the Sigh]

:cry:

[MARKEG]

i already had my crisis about six months ago :D

[MARKEG]

you know it was bloody horrible. you keep thinking that your never going to be young ever again :(

then you learn you're only as young as your mind tells you you are!

that makes me 13 years old!

[DJ Corbzy]

you know it was bloody horrible. you keep thinking that your never going to be young ever again :(

then you learn you're only as young as your mind tells you you are!

that makes me 13 years old!

2 years older than me then.... :lol:

[acid-project]

loose alot of those nasty synths and over used old-school samples,
take the sound of early nooms and carry on, avoiding the problem of
it all going tits in the mid 90s, and sounding shite since ! ;o) easy lol
sorry if that sounds too hard, but its the truth.