not getting paid properly at gigs

[Sunil]

how does it ? if the promotor has no money then the promotor has no money plus what if the person you grab by the shirt collar has a knife or is a black belt in martial arts :whoops:

Yeah, but a lot of this comes down to the fact that a promoter knows he/she can **** around with someone if it is a local act they are not obligated by contract to pay.. or in some cases is a friend or familiar acquaintance.

The fact is that in the back of the minds of many promoters, or in their sums prior to a gig, support acts or local acts come way down the line.. after practically every other expense. Sure, there might be a ballpark sum provisionally made out, but that can usually open to change, unlike any other set expense of a night. I guess it comes down to people just really enjoying or wanting to play out, and promoters being aware of that fact.

If the promoter here agreed a fee with Barry, then they should have paid it. I doubt they asked or expected certain other guests to take a cut either.
Now I'm sure if they explained the situation to Barry and ASKED him would he mind accepting a little less then Barry might not have minded so much.. rather than just throwing him half of the agreed fee, after he had just got them out of a last minute hole.

There are *lots* of good promoters out there, but a word of warning to people out there - if a promoter does not discuss anything with you regarding money prior to a gig, do not accept this. Chances are they don't really value you if they haven't put a value on your fee/money, and took time to mention it to you.

Every DJ has to go through this stage of doing gigs for nothing or very little; but that stage shouldn't last too long.

[rhythmtech]

If the promoter here agreed a fee with Barry, then they should have paid it. I doubt they asked or expected certain other guests to take a cut either.
Now I'm sure if they explained the situation to Barry and ASKED him would he mind accepting a little less then Barry might not have minded so much.. rather than just throwing him half of the agreed fee, after he had just got them out of a last minute hole.

100%.

if the guy had come to me and said "look, we lost our bollox here tonight" then i woulda said fine. cover my expenses ie taxi's and the few drinks.

but like i said i came out a tenner out of pocket, which although isnt really that much money, is still a loss.

im not blaming the guy who ran the techno room. he's a genuine guy who was left standing outside the club, with no back-up, as i was still argueing my case. the main promoter had already left at this stage. the guy running the techno room has also been screwed as he paid for the original dj's flights and never got money for that either.

what sunil said about main artists is true aswell..

a dublin dj (lets call him dj pressured :; ) was headlining the techno room. he got paid EVEN though he a) didnt play techno and b) got asked to step down 50 mins into his set as he cleared the techno room. but because of either who he is or who (from the promoters) knows him, he got his full payement.

i wont go into how much that was as thats his business , but sunil knows who im talking about and believe me sunil, it was too much for said individual..

anyway lesson learnt.

im not gonna change my way of working with dublin promters because as i've already said, the ones i generally do work with are top class blokes.. but i wont be playing for this lot again and i would advise any dublin dj's who do to sort out the finances long b4 they're left standing on the street with just enough to get them home.