Vinyl vs Digital - Which do you buy?

[TechMouse]

There's really nothing i've heard that i'd want to buy that exists soley as an mp3 release

Come now Jerome, what about Digital Distortions or Virus B-23?

Both reasonably up your street I would have thought.

[bushby]

and has one hand in their pocket

When I used to use decks I'd mix with my hand in my pocket. Now I use ableton there's too much going on for me to have my hand in my pocket (unless I'm "under the influence" in which case I might not play quite as many tracks an may have to relax a bit with my hand in my pocket)

I'm the only person on the poll that buys / plays purely digital as well it seems.

[DJ Becka]

my guess is you're thinking of setting up a label but want to gain an idea of what medium people are wanting to buy, or am i wrong?

No, actually, I already have a label....surprise surprise.....I'm asking the questions for other reasons - partly to satify my own curiousity though.....

And as for the rest of you people who want to continue debating over what medium is better, what method of playing is better blah blah blah.....go stuff it....

I came on here to ask one simple question and yet you want to start some pissing match with me and I'm not havin it.....

This is actually the main reason why I dont even bother posting on this board.....

I'll reserve the choice words I have for some of the people on here though, out of respect to Mark and the other peeps who regulate around here.....

[rhythmtech]

20 years ago, only a few people had access to the technology. Now it's commonplace. You have to be better to make your mark.

exactly..

just because someone can produce a track doesnt mean its gonna be good and just because someone can play mp3s doesnt mean they can do it well.

the actual physical concept of playing vinyl is just as simple as mixing mp3 on laptop or cd.. if anyone here cant count to 4 then they're in trouble anyway.

[dan the acid man]

No, actually, I already have a label....surprise surprise.....I'm asking the questions for other reasons - partly to satify my own curiousity though.....

And as for the rest of you people who want to continue debating over what medium is better, what method of playing is better blah blah blah.....go stuff it....

I came on here to ask one simple question and yet you want to start some pissing match with me and I'm not havin it.....

This is actually the main reason why I dont even bother posting on this board.....

I'll reserve the choice words I have for some of the people on here though, out of respect to Mark and the other peeps who regulate around here.....

it's no surprise though, everytime this question is asked it reults in this situation, which is just human nature really, i doubt any forum anywhere else would be any different.


anyways, sorry for not realising you already had a label:ohdear: i must learn to look at peoples sigs:ohdear:

[TechMouse]

And as for the rest of you people who want to continue debating over what medium is better, what method of playing is better blah blah blah.....go stuff it....

I came on here to ask one simple question and yet you want to start some pissing match with me and I'm not havin it.....

This is actually the main reason why I dont even bother posting on this board.....

I'll reserve the choice words I have for some of the people on here though, out of respect to Mark and the other peeps who regulate around here.....

Steady now...

You can't come onto an internet forum asking questions like "who buys vinyl and who buys digital", throwing around massively crass generalisations like "DJing off a laptop is boring" and expect everybody else to keep their opinions to themselves.

[Traxx]

My cdj 800 mk2 arrived this morning, ive stayed off to break it in. Just spent £10.20 on 11 tunes i really wanted without having to pay for the other 2/3/4 tunes on the vinyl release i didnt want + postage... All in all...WINNER!!!!

[TechMouse]

My cdj 800 mk2 arrived this morning, ive stayed off to break it in. Just spent £10.20 on 11 tunes i really wanted without having to pay for the other 2/3/4 tunes on the vinyl release i didnt want + postage... All in all...WINNER!!!!

I've been buying electronica stuff from bleep.com and juno, and I have to say that the whole digital download experience is really something. You listen to clips, you say "I'll have that", you pay £1 or so a track, then in minutes it's downloaded to your HD.

Someone was telling me they were in a club a couple of months back, and someone asked the DJ if they had a certain tune, and he said no, but he had a 3G card so he went onto the internet, bought the tune, and then played it.

Pretty smooth.

[The Overfiend]

No, actually, I already have a label....surprise surprise.....I'm asking the questions for other reasons - partly to satify my own curiousity though.....

And as for the rest of you people who want to continue debating over what medium is better, what method of playing is better blah blah blah.....go stuff it....

I came on here to ask one simple question and yet you want to start some pissing match with me and I'm not havin it.....

This is actually the main reason why I dont even bother posting on this board.....

I'll reserve the choice words I have for some of the people on here though, out of respect to Mark and the other peeps who regulate around here.....

This is when I wave my NYC flag high and proud and say YOU GO GIRL!

[Traxx]

I've been buying electronica stuff from bleep.com and juno, and I have to say that the whole digital download experience is really something. You listen to clips, you say "I'll have that", you pay £1 or so a track, then in minutes it's downloaded to your HD.

Someone was telling me they were in a club a couple of months back, and someone asked the DJ if they had a certain tune, and he said no, but he had a 3G card so he went onto the internet, bought the tune, and then played it.

Pretty smooth.

Very smooth. You use beatport? i got a gift card with my cd deck and used the credits on it for some more tunes. Now when i click on download mp3 icon next to the track (in my ready to download section) nothing happens. IE doesnt say its blocking it or nothin just no result. Tried the FAQ's but they done seem to have the answer.

[SlavikSvensk]

Call me cynical but..

Neither.

I can't remember the last time I heard anything worth buying...

you and me both, man

seriously though...my question for all the little subarguments (djing vs live PA, vinyl vs ableton)...does it really matter? djing with vinyl is the classic way of doing things, like reading a book. ableton is like playing a video game. they both have merits, they both have limits. they both provide fundamentally different experiences. on one side, you have people working with limited tools, but NO, it's not just motor skills. case in point: derrick may or jeff mills in their prime. nothing, IMO, beats a great performance by a dj. but few people are jeff mlls or derrick may. most djs play very drab sets just mixing and no cutting and little creativitiy. so ableton gives you tools to do all kind of crazy sh*t you can't do with just 2 or 3 decks, and it can really make the average techno performance a lot more interesting. i've seen fantastic, exciting abelton sets from people i know are very boring vinyl djs. even great vinyl djs can and should mess around with ableton so they stay fresh (unlike jeff mills, e.g.). so there's room for both of them.

[TechMouse]

You use beatport?

No, mainly been using Juno and Bleep.

I don't buy much Techno digitally, as we don't (always) have CD decks in the club.

i got a gift card with my cd deck and used the credits on it for some more tunes. Now when i click on download mp3 icon next to the track (in my ready to download section) nothing happens. IE doesnt say its blocking it or nothin just no result. Tried the FAQ's but they done seem to have the answer.

Sounds a bit weird.

Tried emailing them?

Online music vendors are normally good at sorting this kind of stuff out in my experience. On the grounds that if you're happy you're more likely to come back and spend more money!

I've got a free voicher for 50 tunes from eMusic which came with my mp3 player, but I haven't looked yet.

[dubs]

I've been buying electronica stuff from bleep.com and juno, and I have to say that the whole digital download experience is really something. You listen to clips, you say "I'll have that", you pay £1 or so a track, then in minutes it's downloaded to your HD.

Someone was telling me they were in a club a couple of months back, and someone asked the DJ if they had a certain tune, and he said no, but he had a 3G card so he went onto the internet, bought the tune, and then played it.

Pretty smooth.

now that is service. would you like fries with that :)

[TechMouse]

on one side, you have people working with limited tools, but NO, it's not just motor skills.

I agree, but I think outside the motor skills there is no difference between using decks, CD decks or Ableton.

At the end of the day, once you have 2 (or 3, or 4) pieces of music locked in time with each other,all the wizardry is done on the mixer - and thats true whatever your medium is.

[DJ Becka]

Steady now...

You can't come onto an internet forum asking questions like "who buys vinyl and who buys digital", throwing around massively crass generalisations like "DJing off a laptop is boring" and expect everybody else to keep their opinions to themselves.

Only because it turned into a 'which means is better for djing' kinda discussion.....

The minute I voiced my opinion and personal preference - based on my own experience with using such djing tools - then proceeded to tell you WHY I choose one method of djing over another - you people have to jump on my shit. Is this like a male ego thing that I dont understand that you have to do this every single time ANYONE who might have a different opinion/preference than yours says something?

I wasnt saying that my way was BETTER - I was simply saying WHY I chose one thing over another - and basing it on my own personal experience - because this is the way you people turned this thread. Did I say to any one of YOU that you suck for using ableton for djing or cdjs in this thread? No. Did I say that none of you should use these means to dj? Nooooooooo.

That was not the original intention of this poll, but once again, a perfectly simple question/thread has to degenerate into a big piece of crap on here.

I realize that you all seem to get off on waving your cocks around at each other on this board, but stop trying to involve me in your circle jerk.....


To everyone who has at least answered the poll so far, I appreciate it.....I will be sure to disclose why I wanted to know about purchasing habits eventually.....for now, it's too soon for me to say anything.

[SlavikSvensk]

I agree, but I think outside the motor skills there is no difference between using decks, CD decks or Ableton.

At the end of the day, once you have 2 (or 3, or 4) pieces of music locked in time with each other,all the wizardry is done on the mixer - and thats true whatever your medium is.

i disagree. any choice of medium creates boundaries and opportunities. the time it takes to pull a record out, ability to scratch, the way someone recovers from a record skip, etc. all of these derive from the use of vinyl only. as for motor skills, well, the USE of motor skills is a creative choice! i'm not saying there's a better or worse, just that there is a difference. people make choices which media they want to work with, but every choice yields advantages and disadvantages.

[rhythmtech]

Only because it turned into a 'which means is better for djing' kinda discussion.....

The minute I voiced my opinion and personal preference - based on my own experience with using such djing tools - then proceeded to tell you WHY I choose one method of djing over another - you people have to jump on my shit. Is this like a male ego thing that I dont understand that you have to do this every single time ANYONE who might have a different opinion/preference than yours says something?

I wasnt saying that my way was BETTER - I was simply saying WHY I chose one thing over another - and basing it on my own personal experience - because this is the way you people turned this thread. Did I say to any one of YOU that you suck for using ableton for djing or cdjs in this thread? No. Did I say that none of you should use these means to dj? Nooooooooo.

That was not the original intention of this poll, but once again, a perfectly simple question/thread has to degenerate into a big piece of crap on here.

I realize that you all seem to get off on waving your cocks around at each other on this board, but stop trying to involve me in your circle jerk.....


To everyone who has at least answered the poll so far, I appreciate it.....I will be sure to disclose why I wanted to know about purchasing habits eventually.....for now, it's too soon for me to say anything.

you really need to get down off your whole men vs women buzz that you seem to throw arouns quite a lot.. and not just on this forum but others aswell.. this has nothing to do with you being a female and everything to do with people voicing their opinion.. JUST LIKE YOU VOICED YOURS!

you had this arguement with me b4 and decided that because i gave my opinion back that i was "getting on your shit" .. just chill the fuk out and let others do what they want.. worry about your own shit for a change.

[dan the acid man]

Very smooth. You use beatport? i got a gift card with my cd deck and used the credits on it for some more tunes. Now when i click on download mp3 icon next to the track (in my ready to download section) nothing happens. IE doesnt say its blocking it or nothin just no result. Tried the FAQ's but they done seem to have the answer.

never had that problem on beatport, have you made sure your firewall isn't blocking them?

[TechMouse]

i disagree. any choice of medium creates boundaries and opportunities. the time it takes to pull a record out, ability to scratch, the way someone recovers from a record skip, etc. all of these derive from the use of vinyl only. as for motor skills, well, the USE of motor skills is a creative choice! i'm not saying there's a better or worse, just that there is a difference. people make choices which media they want to work with, but every choice yields advantages and disadvantages.

You really think watching a DJ rummaging in a bag for his next tune or dealing with a record skip is compulsive viewing?

I totally hear you on the scratching, but I'd suggest that's a minority of a minority of people. Oh, and I've seen a few people (DJ Food and Max Cooper being vivid examples) totally scratch the fuck out of a CDJ-1000 and it sound amazing.

I get the feeling I'm being misread here. I love DJing vinyl as much as the next guy, and as I said I get 99% of my Techno on vinyl. I just can't understand anyone who dismisses the alternatives as inherently less compelling.

@Becka: I totally hear what you're saying, and the only point I was taking issue with was when you said that you found using Ableton boring. That's it.

Apologies if that loosely translates as waving my cock around.

Oh, I answered the poll as well. :)

[michael00elder]

I buy 95% of my stuff digitally. I much prefer the ease of just going onto Beatport or Audiojelly and paying my £1.49 and getting my hands on a tune in a couple of minutes.

When I was growing up, I never had decks and I just wasn't really that interested in buying vinyl, something that I now really regret, but for the last 15 years, I've just been collecting CD's obssesively. I just love using CD decks cause of all the functions and features that they offer.

Just out of interest, I was wondering if any of you lot buy your digital downloads in WAV format. I know Beatport has just recently started offering their music in WAV files, and they aren't too expensive either, but personally, I just settle for 320kb MP3s.
I know that most DJ's just don't fell that MP3's are good enough in quality but I've put lot's of CD's together with tunes that I've ripped onto my computer and I actually struggle to notice any real difference from the 320kb MP3's and the original version on CD.