Vinyl vs Digital - Which do you buy?

[xfive]

Call me cynical but..

Neither.

I can't remember the last time I heard anything worth buying...

[DJ Becka]

Call me cynical but..

Neither.

I can't remember the last time I heard anything worth buying...

Great response.....thanks for playing.

[xfive]

Great response.....thanks for playing.

I wish I were playing :)

[dubs]

Disclaimer..... I'm not taking the piss with anyone...

In my post i spoke about my preference. I agree with what's been said above and the possibilities offered by digital are great and will only get better. but in response to the above "When I played vinyl, the mix was in within 10-15 seconds." it would seem that you're not getting the most out of vinyl.

Obviously this is a discussion about personal pref and mine is with vinyl, firstly because it is what i know, and secondly because with three decks and effects there is a massive potential each set to create new sounds and cuts. This is not to say it's better than digital, but for me...having 3 decks and a box of records and no plan provides me with the greatest pleasure when playing and when i'm watching a dj i also like to see fast working creativity on the decks al la the 'Wizard'.

If what I like is better for the average punter i have no idea but for me it's best.

[DJ Becka]

Obviously this is a discussion about personal pref and mine is with vinyl, firstly because it is what i know, and secondly because with three decks and effects there is a massive potential each set to create new sounds and cuts. This is not to say it's better than digital, but for me...having 3 decks and a box of records and no plan provides me with the greatest pleasure when playing and when i'm watching a dj i also like to see fast working creativity on the decks al la the 'Wizard'.

Actually, this wasnt intended to be a discussion over what people's personal preference was, but it seems to have derailed and is going that route.

I really posted the poll because I just wanted to know whether people were buying vinyl, digital, or both.....

It's a simple question really.....and I have my reasons for asking.....which I will be sure to disclose at some point in the future.....for now, anyone who has not answered the poll, please do so....this is actually interesting because there seems to be an even split between those whoe buy soley vinyl and those who buy both......

[dan the acid man]

Actually, this wasnt intended to be a discussion over what people's personal preference was, but it seems to have derailed and is going that route.

I really posted the poll because I just wanted to know whether people were buying vinyl, digital, or both.....

It's a simple question really.....and I have my reasons for asking.....which I will be sure to disclose at some point in the future.....for now, anyone who has not answered the poll, please do so....this is actually interesting because there seems to be an even split between those whoe buy soley vinyl and those who buy both......

my guess is you're thinking of setting up a label but want to gain an idea of what medium people are wanting to buy, or am i wrong?

[dubs]

he's not setting up a fruit shop?

[DJ Becka]

my guess is you're thinking of setting up a label but want to gain an idea of what medium people are wanting to buy, or am i wrong?

No, actually, I already have a label....surprise surprise.....I'm asking the questions for other reasons - partly to satify my own curiousity though.....

And as for the rest of you people who want to continue debating over what medium is better, what method of playing is better blah blah blah.....go stuff it....

I came on here to ask one simple question and yet you want to start some pissing match with me and I'm not havin it.....

This is actually the main reason why I dont even bother posting on this board.....

I'll reserve the choice words I have for some of the people on here though, out of respect to Mark and the other peeps who regulate around here.....

[SlavikSvensk]

Call me cynical but..

Neither.

I can't remember the last time I heard anything worth buying...

you and me both, man

seriously though...my question for all the little subarguments (djing vs live PA, vinyl vs ableton)...does it really matter? djing with vinyl is the classic way of doing things, like reading a book. ableton is like playing a video game. they both have merits, they both have limits. they both provide fundamentally different experiences. on one side, you have people working with limited tools, but NO, it's not just motor skills. case in point: derrick may or jeff mills in their prime. nothing, IMO, beats a great performance by a dj. but few people are jeff mlls or derrick may. most djs play very drab sets just mixing and no cutting and little creativitiy. so ableton gives you tools to do all kind of crazy sh*t you can't do with just 2 or 3 decks, and it can really make the average techno performance a lot more interesting. i've seen fantastic, exciting abelton sets from people i know are very boring vinyl djs. even great vinyl djs can and should mess around with ableton so they stay fresh (unlike jeff mills, e.g.). so there's room for both of them.

[TechMouse]

on one side, you have people working with limited tools, but NO, it's not just motor skills.

I agree, but I think outside the motor skills there is no difference between using decks, CD decks or Ableton.

At the end of the day, once you have 2 (or 3, or 4) pieces of music locked in time with each other,all the wizardry is done on the mixer - and thats true whatever your medium is.

[SlavikSvensk]

I agree, but I think outside the motor skills there is no difference between using decks, CD decks or Ableton.

At the end of the day, once you have 2 (or 3, or 4) pieces of music locked in time with each other,all the wizardry is done on the mixer - and thats true whatever your medium is.

i disagree. any choice of medium creates boundaries and opportunities. the time it takes to pull a record out, ability to scratch, the way someone recovers from a record skip, etc. all of these derive from the use of vinyl only. as for motor skills, well, the USE of motor skills is a creative choice! i'm not saying there's a better or worse, just that there is a difference. people make choices which media they want to work with, but every choice yields advantages and disadvantages.

[TechMouse]

i disagree. any choice of medium creates boundaries and opportunities. the time it takes to pull a record out, ability to scratch, the way someone recovers from a record skip, etc. all of these derive from the use of vinyl only. as for motor skills, well, the USE of motor skills is a creative choice! i'm not saying there's a better or worse, just that there is a difference. people make choices which media they want to work with, but every choice yields advantages and disadvantages.

You really think watching a DJ rummaging in a bag for his next tune or dealing with a record skip is compulsive viewing?

I totally hear you on the scratching, but I'd suggest that's a minority of a minority of people. Oh, and I've seen a few people (DJ Food and Max Cooper being vivid examples) totally scratch the fuck out of a CDJ-1000 and it sound amazing.

I get the feeling I'm being misread here. I love DJing vinyl as much as the next guy, and as I said I get 99% of my Techno on vinyl. I just can't understand anyone who dismisses the alternatives as inherently less compelling.

@Becka: I totally hear what you're saying, and the only point I was taking issue with was when you said that you found using Ableton boring. That's it.

Apologies if that loosely translates as waving my cock around.

Oh, I answered the poll as well. :)