A winge of sorts.

[BRADLEE]

Hmm youdon`t really understand mixing and mastering if you can say this.
It`s fairly obvious when elements are badly eq`d or too loud, and isn`t really that subjective. Blatant problems are blatant problems.

It`s a good way of justifying bad production though ie
"dude, you bass and mid is really muddy, can`t hear a thing"

"oh I meant it to be that way"

"what, badly made?"

"no man, that`s my style!

"what, your style is shit-style?"

I mean obviously if something is shit it's shit....No doubt about that. And truly while I do think mastering and mixdown is extremely important...I think some focus too much on that rather than the content of their music. Which is sad to me frankly.....[/color]

[color=#000000][color=silver]I mean...you can have the clearest sound of a pin dropping on the ground, but does that make it good music?

This final comment really holds no water in this day and age.

Everyone has access to the equipment now, pretty much, so there are far more "musicians" out there.

And quite frankly, judging by the amount of demos I get sent, there are many many many good techno musicians out there.

so making a "good tune" simply isn`t enough.

You need to make a good production as well to stand out above the mud heap.

I find it utterly pointless commenting about something as subjective as to wether a tune is good or not.
My good tune might be another persons cheese.
It really means nothing.

But you can be OBJECTIVE about production, because there are rules and trends and methods, and ways of working that you can effectively be right or wrong with. Especially on music designed for vinyl and soundsystems.

Even the Sex Pistols were well produced.

It`s not unachievable, to progress to a professional production level. It just requires work, research, and patience. Something lacking these days when most people can switch on fruity loops and make a tune in an hour, and then send it out expecting a release 2 hours later.


Sorry, I`m not really attacking you at all Brad, as you are someone who works hard on your production, and who genuinly has learned at improved.

Which is why I don`t understand your rather naieve comments.

Steve, all i can say is if you feel that way, and you don't tell it to me before posting it on the net, you're obviously not my homie as you claim to be. Seems all you're trying to do is tear me down...but when we rap, it's a whole differant ball game.

At this point, we no longer have anything to say to one another. You claim this comment isn't a shot at me, but it obviously is. And you claim to be a brother of the craft....I don't see it. From this day forward, don't speak of me...don't breathe of me and don't think of me. I just can't believe that somebody I HAD (no more) so much respect for would bad mouth me in such a manner....somebody i thought would be happy that I'm doing well.

You basically called my music shit man....that's ****ed!!!!

[loopdon]

Brad, i am sure Steve didn't call your music/production shit. This will be cleared up, no doubt.

[dirty_bass]

Steve, all i can say is if you feel that way, and you don't tell it to me before posting it on the net, you're obviously not my homie as you claim to be. Seems all you're trying to do is tear me down...but when we rap, it's a whole differant ball game.

At this point, we no longer have anything to say to one another. You claim this comment isn't a shot at me, but it obviously is. And you claim to be a brother of the craft....I don't see it. From this day forward, don't speak of me...don't breathe of me and don't think of me. I just can't believe that somebody I HAD (no more) so much respect for would bad mouth me in such a manner....somebody i thought would be happy that I'm doing well.

You basically called my music shit man....that's ****ed!!!!

I think you need to re-read what I wrote there.
That litte quote conversation was just an imaginary scenario with a non excistant character.
You been with tony too long man, jumping off without reading clearly, I`ve not picked on your music at all.
In fact read my last sentence.

I think musically and production wise you are one of the good examples of consistant improvement. And as far as I am concerned you have gone from strength to strength.

[xfive]

Chill out peeps!
I agree with Steve here.. I will get back into listening to tracks.
Just been in my own little world lately and I apologize for that, and haven't been reading boa as much.
I will check in here more often and try to listen to things. If by any means someone wants me to listen to something directly send me a PM and it will hit my email... much faster than me remembering to check the forum.

We need a bit of a re-kindling of the flame so to speak. It used to be wicked in here..
Personally I haven't been making much lately so that probably accounts for my end :)

[xfive]

PS
We don't need to have flame wars in here either guys...
Not going to help out anyone's production.

[The Overfiend]

Vinegar and woses

[p_brane]

its funny how things get heated in here.

reminds me of the "production methods?" thread in BOA production forum.

personally, i put my tunes up here for constructive critisism, i'm new to this game.

i feel comments/feedback help me enormously (good or bad)

however, i dont really think that i'm at the sort of level yet where i can be giving enormously helpful feedback to anyone else. i still have a long way to go myself.

i must admit, there arent a lot of people who comment regularly on my stuff, but the ones who do help me loads.

dirty bass> maybe if some of you old timers:; might shed some of your wisdom on our productions we might be able to improve faster and then be able to pass that on to others in the future.

anyhoo.

just thought i'd make me voice heard.

lets keep it nice peeps, no need to get all nasty at each other

alec

[BloodStar]

I was trying to post really deep intelectual idea, but I just wanna say. Come on people if you think the track/production is shit, then say it.
Dont care who posted the track and say your opinion,. Those who cant accept critics just needs to step over their ego, nothing more nothing less. peace.

[p_brane]

Come on people if you think the track/production is shit, then say it.
Dont care who posted the track and say your opinion,. Those who cant accept critics just needs to step over their ego, nothing more nothing less. peace.

i couldnt agree more.

people need to learn that critic of a tune isnt critic of themselves

it just means they have a lot more to work at production wise.

[force]

I can't believe the way this thread has gone!

Has everybody stopped smoking weed at exactly the same time or something?

[thomas_figo]

I can't believe the way this thread has gone!

Has everybody stopped smoking weed at exactly the same time or something?

hahahaha. i like that

[judas_beast]

You lot are such a bunch of bitches sometime! Stop ****ing arguing the toss and make some tunes. >:-{

To be perfectly honest, I can think of several times when people have commented on my tracks saying ''great'' or whatever, and its not that helpful! I agree with Steve, constructive critism is VERY important. Having said this, I think it takes a while of posting on here and making yourself ''known'' before people comment. In factI I can remember posting up a track and being told ''comment on a few peoples tracks and we might comment on yours'', which I thought was pretty weak.

Anyways, before someone gets COMPLETELY the wrong end of the stick, as seems to often happen around here: Ive found Dirty Bass's tutorials and posts to be very helpful, and I think Messanger has made some ****ing top tunes.

[The Overfiend]

I said keep my name out of your mouth for siting me with scapegoats for future reference in your posts. Everything else I said, take it for what it is.

[dan the acid man]

I think a few people are reading things into posts that aren't there.

Back on topic..........., i've always been honest in feedback, im not the most technically gifted person in production but im always honest in what i'm hearing.
There's no point in posting tunes in here if you can't take contsructuve criticism, it's how people learn and develope their skills.

Now im as guilty as alot of people in that i've not posted much in here lately, as it takes so much time to listen to tracks, it's the area i save until last then i run out of time:ohdear:

starting from later today, i'll make sure i come in here first and listen to as many tracks as possible.

[BRADLEE]

Steve, if I've misread you I'm sorry. It was really the whole hypathetical story that threw me for a loop. I can see that more so upon re-examination of your text. I fecking hate trying to communicate over the internet...shit is never 100% clear. I think I'm just going to a take a break from the whole forum thing for a moment. I'll still be about lurking.......

But if anyone wants to get in contact with me....

messbeat@yahoo.com = MSN

bradleemuzik@gmail.com = Google chat

www.myspace.com/bradleebeats = more than obvious.

Please forgive me for turning this thing into something it wasn't supposed to be.

[dirty_bass]

Steve, if I've misread you I'm sorry. It was really the whole hypathetical story that threw me for a loop. I can see that more so upon re-examination of your text. I fecking hate trying to communicate over the internet...shit is never 100% clear. I think I'm just going to a take a break from the whole forum thing for a moment. I'll still be about lurking.......

But if anyone wants to get in contact with me....

messbeat@yahoo.com = MSN

bradleemuzik@gmail.com = Google chat

www.myspace.com/bradleebeats = more than obvious.

Please forgive me for turning this thing into something it wasn't supposed to be.

Your good man, I don`t think you`ve lost face here so it`s all cool, I apologise for not being a little more clear in my wording (I never use the damn preview button). We all over react from time to time, and there`s no need to dissapear dude, I think most here know you got a big heart and strong passion.

And for you in regards to the craft I say

"A brother may not always see his brother eye to eye in all points, but all things can still be on the level, and carried out fair and square"

The craft does not make us perfect, but merely points us the path to improvement and enlightenment.

[RDR]

Right then..

"Even the Sex Pistols were well produced." Of course they were... malcom mclaren managed them innit.

Now, im NOT a moderator of this section but i firmly beleive that the following rules should be in place here.

This should be an objective place to review music. not one for personal attacks, go PM for that if you please.


Im going to ensure that we have some ground rules laid out here. i say this as a rep for BOA and not as a person who knows people who have posted here.

it sounds horrid even to my ears, but if thats what it takes, then that is what will happen.

[The Overfiend]

Your good man, I don`t think you`ve lost face here so it`s all cool, I apologise for not being a little more clear in my wording (I never use the damn preview button). We all over react from time to time, and there`s no need to dissapear dude, I think most here know you got a big heart and strong passion.

And for you in regards to the craft I say

"A brother may not always see his brother eye to eye in all points, but all things can still be on the level, and carried out fair and square"

The craft does not make us perfect, but merely points us the path to improvement and enlightenment.

So Mote It Be.

Regardless of this discussion Steve
MY CABLE TOW WILL ALWAYS BE IN YOUR REACH

[dirty_bass]

I don`t think it`s needed mate really. Things were fine in here, I merely made a post to suggest that there should be more constructive crit. Then all hell broke loose, more down to personal issues, rather than the post itself, I`m sure it won`t flare up again.

[xfive]

Crikey.. I leave for a couple days and all hell breaks loose.

Seems things are somewhat amicable now so let's just get on with the music :)